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Tea Party Should Shrug Off Atlas
New Patriot Journal ^ | March 9, 2010 | Walter Scott Hudson

Posted on 03/09/2010 4:51:09 AM PST by Walter Scott Hudson

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To: Walter Scott Hudson

Semantic Blockage.


41 posted on 03/09/2010 7:26:08 AM PST by Rodamala
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To: sueuprising
The founding fathers were not libertarians to my mind, they were republicans.

Thomas Jefferson. Thomas Paine. Patrick Henry...

Whatever helps you sleep better at night.

42 posted on 03/09/2010 7:26:27 AM PST by Dead Corpse (III, Oathkeeper)
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To: Grunthor

How about neo-libertarian change? ;-)


43 posted on 03/09/2010 7:32:36 AM PST by Dead Corpse (III, Oathkeeper)
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To: drangundsturm
Thus Rand clearly was not against altruism, she was against "forced altruism".

"Forced altruism" is just another way of saying theft. And on this issue, I agree strongly with Rand.

44 posted on 03/09/2010 7:56:21 AM PST by meyer ("It's not enough just to not suck as much as the other side" - G. Beck)
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To: Dead Corpse

If I could find a group of (L)ibertarians that didn’t want to legalize dope, that wanted to protect our nation, that were NOT protectionists, that were pro-life personally and in policy, that stood for getting the government OUT of the marriage business altogether....Well that would be just about the best group of political thinkers I’d ever met. I THINK those people can be found if the GOP would adopt some of the Libertarian policies and if the Libertarian party would tell the potheads and liberals to GTFO. A melding of the two parties could be a force for good. But just a straight Libertarian movement based on what that party has become today? I’d rather not.


45 posted on 03/09/2010 8:19:53 AM PST by Grunthor (Everyone hates the U.S. at least until they need liberated.)
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To: ClearCase_guy
I agree in Spirit, but have always assumed that “maximizing personal liberty” and “shrinking the government's budget” are mutually connected and result in exactly the same thing. If I have less government spending, I automatically have more personal liberty. If I choose to use that personal liberty to attend the church of my choice, or help the poor, or build houses for the destitute, that is my choice. Most of the philanthropists of bygone eras did not build (libraries, hospitals, etc) for the poor, but as monuments to themselves. But the poor still used them.
46 posted on 03/09/2010 8:28:38 AM PST by wbarmy (Hard core, extremist, and right-wing is a little too mild for my tastes.)
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To: wbarmy
Definitely connected and definitely heading toward the same place.

But I think drug legalization makes the order clear -- If you legalize first, society is likely to see an enormous burden of people using social services. That expands the budget (not what we want). On the other hand, if you remove the taxpayer funded social services first, then legalize the drugs, there will be no reason for the budget to expand as a consequence.

When possible, move in parallel, when one part needs to go first, make it the "shrink the government" part rather than the "expand my liberties" part.

47 posted on 03/09/2010 8:37:35 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (We're all heading toward red revolution - we just disagree on which type of Red we want.)
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To: sueuprising
I am not sure why people who value Tea Party rallies would be so consumed by Ayn Rand.

Will this be the new purity litmus test for tea partiers? If you like some of the ideas of an atheist, you're out?

Really, this is grasping at straws. I realize a lot of Freepers who purport to be Christians don't like Rand, but we're not emulating her life here, we're taking note of the very sensible parts of her philosophy. Capitalism foremost of them all.

48 posted on 03/09/2010 9:00:33 AM PST by BfloGuy (It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker, that we can expect . . .)
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To: ClearCase_guy
I think that we need to control government spending as the first task, and then focus on Liberty. I think that's the only way it will work.

Interesting. I can see your point. When gov't takes and spends such a large amount of my personal earnings, and even to the point of spending future earnings this is definitely restricting everyone's liberty.

Obama has taken advantage of our free and open economy and is trying to systematically destroy it! He has to be stopped!

49 posted on 03/10/2010 3:47:08 AM PST by sirchtruth (Freedom is not free)
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To: Dog Gone
This essay seems almost an insidious attempt to splinter the Tea Party movement into factions of religious conservatives versus more secular fiscal conservatives.

You're perception is incorrect. I am, in fact, responding to an assertion which could underlie such an attempt, not making the attempt. Biddle initiated the claim the Tea Party movement needs to shift its morality from the common Judeo-Christian ethic to an Objectivist ethic. I am quite content to include Objectivists in the fold. It is Biddle's prescription was excludes, not my response.

50 posted on 03/11/2010 4:31:33 AM PST by Walter Scott Hudson (fightinwords.us)
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To: Walter Scott Hudson

I appreciate your response, but it’s not a revelation that Objectivism has some differences from the Judeo-Christian religion. Those have been explored in the past, and it certainly does not hurt to continue to do so.

My point is that the interjection of this discussion into the context of the Tea Party is not helpful to the core reasons for the existence and goals of the Tea Party.

If you and I see the immediate need to work together to rescue an accident victim, it’s a very bad time to first start arguing the merits of why my opinion of the college football overtime rules is superior to your assertion that those in the NFL are better. That may be an interesting and relevant discussion, but it threatens the more important goal.

Let’s save the accident victim first.


51 posted on 03/11/2010 6:02:59 AM PST by Dog Gone
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