President Obama's birth doctor, James Ang'awa, was neighbors with Barack Obama Senior in the 1960s

allafrica.com and Mary Ang'awa (Dr. James Ang'awa's daughther) ^ | 03.05.2010 | InspectorSmith

[theviking711]

kimbo, Lucas is not living outside the US. He is alive & well & living in the US. Yes he has a checkered past from his youth. Many people do. Lucas did not commit any violent crimes and has paid for what he did. He has his life headed in the right direction now. Get over it.I have known Lucas for some time now. I find him to be a warm sincere caring person who wants to do the right thing.

He did offer the Kenyan birth certificate for sale at one time. He said that no money need change hands until the buyer had it authenticated by experts of the buyers choosing. His signed affidavits concerning how he obtained the doc are a part of court records. He is willing to go to court and testify about it. Does that sound like a fake to anyone?

[Mik Taerg]

“I am not satisfied with anything you have produced.”

That is your choice but I am glad to learn you reckon that I did produce something. So here is the story of the main element against Lucas: the Chief Administrator on Feb 19th 2009 was not Heltan maganga.

Feb 19th is the date stamped on Lucas’ paper. Lucas has confirmed it as to be the date he supposedly obtained the paper at CPGH.

here are the references to Jennifer Othigo as CA of CPGH before Feb 19th 2009, the date stamped above Maganga’s signature obove Lucas’ document. This search was done to confirm that naming Othigo was not just an occasional mistake by some journalist.

http://www.nation.co.ke/News/-/1056/499590/-/tm7r8p/-/index.html
http://www.marsgroupkenya.org/multimedia/?StoryID=227214&page=3
http://www.unmultimedia.org/radio/english/detail/36898.html
http://www.eastandard.net/news/InsidePage.php?id=1144003096&cid=159&;;;;;

here are the references that Othigo was still CA until April 13th 2009. This is important due to the date stamped on the certificate. Again not just one article

Feb 24th http://www.vvog.be/docs/2009/02/24094002.doc
Mar 26th http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=1144009846&cid=159&;;;;;
Feb 27th http://www.marsgroupkenya.org/multimedia/?StoryID=247437&p=Nyeri+Town&page=2
Apr 13th http://www.nation.co.ke/InDepth/-/452898/560148/-/tqw6oqz/-/index.html

Lucas has then searched for some source mentioning maganga as CA of CPGH BEFORE FEB 2oth 2009. He was able to find none. In fact, as he well knows the first references to Maganga as CA of CPGH are form June 2009:

Jun 17th http://www.kbc.co.ke/story.asp?ID=58041
Jun 2009 (Kenya TV video) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vL2ErPz7Qk

Following this, and not having found any reference to Maganga CA before Feb 19th 2009, Lucas came up with a new theory: both Othigo and Maganga were CA’s on Feb 19th 2009.
Recently however I have found a document, a tender action from CPGH, which CLEARLY implies the CA of that public hospital can only be one. Here is the source, and I suggest you read it.

http://www.ictvillage.com/_Adm.BDetails2.asp?Linkid=1&Infoid=4001&Page=0

After all this Lucas has made various attempts to qualify his forgery as an authentic document without ever confuting my findings. The most recent is the Ang’awa - Obama sr friendship. He certainly got very excited at reading that both lived, though in different moments, in Tom Mboya street. Tom Mboya street just happens to be the adress of CPGH. Only that CPGH is in Mombasa and his “story” is based in Nairobi.
Lucas truly believes that by finding one confirming element his entire credibility would benefit. HE SEEMS NOT TO UNDERSTAND THAT JUST ONE FLAW MAKES IT CLEAR IT’S A HOAX.

I have accepted the burden of proof and part of the ensuing results is what you see above. Now I believe that it is Lucas turn to reply. He hasn’t.

Why Santo Domingo ? Ask Lucas, he knows. Many are still waiting for his promised photos from Mombasa.

[Mik Taerg]

since you obviously don’t read my links here is the relevant quote form the tender document.
My understanding is that there is only one CA and that there is only one CA office, with a box for tenders sitauated at the office’s entrance. Were there 2 administrators the tender document would state which office to deliver. This minor finding has been posted to nullify Lucas’ claim about the 2 Chief Administrators. Now we know it is one only. And the one is Jennifer Othigo.

http://www.ictvillage.com/_Adm.BDetails2.asp?Linkid=1&Infoid=4001&Page=0

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Completed tender documents in plain sealed envelopes indicated “Tender No…….” and bearing no indication of tenderer should be addressed to:

The Chief Administrator
Coast Provincial General Hospital
P.O Box 90231-80100
MOMBASA

Or deposited in the Tender Box situated at the entrance of the Chief Administrator’s Office on or before 24th June 2009 at 10.00 a.m. Tenders will be opened immediately thereafter in the presence of the firms representatives who choose to attend

The Government reserves the right to accept or reject any tender either in part or in whole and is not bound to accept the lowest or any tender nor give reasons for the decision thereof.

Procurement Officer
For: Chief Administrator
CPGH

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[Mik Taerg]

Viking,

you said

“His signed affidavits concerning how he obtained the doc are a part of court records. He is willing to go to court and testify about it. Does that sound like a fake to anyone?”

I respect your viewpoint but Lucas’ words can also bee seen as a big gamble. Lucas knows the case in California is dead and feels quite safe that no one will bring up his affidavit to any court. As you well know it has to be someone with standing, someone who can claim to have been damaged by Lucas. The person who would have a specific interest to do so is Orly Taitz. But she won’t, since this would amount to an admission from her of having filed a forgery without performing any check on it. Another figure with standing would be Kenya, mainly because of the claims of corruption made by Lucas. Should this story grow and spread they will undoubtedly take action.

[theviking711]

kimbo, your statement doesn’t hold up. Lucas allowed the document & his affidavit to be entered into evidence while the case was active. He flew to california to testify in the case.You conveniently forgot to mention that. Orly may be considered a joke by many, but she isn’t done yet & Lucas’ document & affidavit are still in. You don’t know the half of what is still happening in the different court cases, so you should stay mum on it.

kimbo, take a good look. Don’t you see that you are losing your audience? The folks here at FR are a pretty sharp bunch of folks who cannot be bambuzzled by you. Give it up.

A better idea. Put your excess energies into digging into bama’s background. You might be surprised at what you find. A word of caution. Check your resources better than you have in the past.

[InspectorSmith]

Hello Great Kim aka Mik Taerg aka GreatKim2009 aka GreatKim2010.

Did you speak with Doctor Helton Maganga in early October 2009 or at any other time on the telephone?

Please answer. Waiting..........................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................waiting still

[Mik Taerg]

Hi Lucas,

no purpose answering to that one at this point. You well know. I couldn’t back up an eventual claim (telephone receipt ?). But you will have news from indipendent sources soon. Stay confident and tuned.

Still awaiting your evidence about Heltan Maganga CA on Feb 19th 2009.
Also still missing documents to prove your presence in Kenya.

[Mik Taerg]

“kimbo, take a good look. Don’t you see that you are losing your audience? The folks here at FR are a pretty sharp bunch of folks who cannot be bambuzzled by you. Give it up.”

some sharp folks here share my positions about Lucas.

[Mik Taerg]

the smart bunch you mention are the same 3-5 posters that support Lucas on his youtube page. You are performing a coordinated effort over here hoping for better visibility. And also because you obviously fell the need to confront me.
I’m fine with that.

[Fred Nerks]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lyChWkScE4

hehehe...

[Protect the Bill of Rights]

Should everyone who has committed a crime be banned from FR?

That's quite a stretch.

[InspectorSmith]

Hello Great Kim aka Mik Taerg aka GreatKim2009 aka GreatKim2010.

Is your answer a YES or a NO? I’m not asking your for receipts of telephone calls or any other proof that you made the call. All I want to know is did you or did you not speak with Doctor Helton Maganga in early October 2009 or at any other time on the telephone?

Your last answer appears to imply that you did but that you cannot prove that you did. That’s fine if you can’t prove it, I just need to know if you did or if you did not speak with Doctor Helton Maganga in early October 2009 or at any other time on the telephone. Yes or No.

Please answer. Waiting.....

[little jeremiah]

I certainly don’t think so! But why the attack against Inspector Smith because his past isn’t 100 saintly?

[Protect the Bill of Rights]

In any situation, my judgments are never based on one factor alone. I gather as much information (pro and con) as I possibly can. I do not limit my sources to a google search nor do I post everything I learn. I ask myself if this is one incident or a pattern of behavior. How does the behavior affect other people? How does it speak to character?

The issue of obama’s citizenship is too important to place my hopes on something I want to be true. If someone says he traveled to Kenya and obtained a copy of the BC, fine. Prove it. Show me the passport, the tickets, the boarding passes, hotel receipts. etc. If not, then it is up to me to determine whether or not that person has any credibility.

If you look back over my posts, you will find that I am rarely confrontational. I don't go to the mods or to JR because I disagree with someone or someone disagrees with me. I haven't in this case. I just expressed my opinion.

Bottom line: In this situation my judgment is the pattern of behavior makes it more likely the document is bogus than authentic. Until the authenticity is proved, giving it any credibility damages the credibility of FR.

[etraveler13]

Its a real timesaver...hope it helps.

[etraveler13]

Actually, I have been waiting, as Lucas Smith has for you to answer this post:

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Hello Great Kim aka Mik Taerg aka GreatKim2009 aka GreatKim2010.
Did you speak with Doctor Helton Maganga in early October 2009 or at any other time on the telephone?

Please answer.

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So far, nothing...Like you said:

HE SEEMS NOT TO UNDERSTAND THAT JUST ONE FLAW MAKES IT CLEAR IT’S A HOAX.

See what I mean about pointing one finger at a person, and 3 at yourself?

How about answering his question.

[etraveler13]

Thank you for the clarification.

[etraveler13]

I disagree. If you read Judge David O. Carters MTD:

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http://www.scribd.com/doc/21808122/Judge-Carter-Ruling-on-MTD
IV. DISPOSITION [p.29-30]
Plaintiffs have expressed frustration with the notion that this case could be dismissed on separation of powers, political question, or standing grounds, asserting that these are mere “technicalities” obstructing Plaintiffs from being able to resolve the case on the merits of President Obama’s birth and constitutional qualifications. As the Supreme Court has stated, “It is indeed a singular misconception of the nature and character of our constitutional system of government to suggest that the settled distinction . . . between judicial authority over justiciable controversies and legislative power as to purely political questions tends to destroy the duty of the judiciary in proper cases to enforce the Constitution.” Pacific States Telephone & Telegraph Co. v. Oregon, 223 U.S. 118, 149-150, 32 S. Ct. 224 (1912). Interpreting the Constitution is a serious and crucial task with which the federal courts of this nation have been entrusted under Article III. However, that very same Constitution puts limits on the reach of the federal courts. One of those limits is that the Constitution defines processes through which the President can be removed from office. The Constitution does not include a role for the Court in that process.
Plaintiffs have encouraged the Court to ignore these mandates of the Constitution; to disregard the limits on its power put in place by the Constitution; and to effectively overthrow a sitting president who was popularly elected by “We the People”–over sixty-nine million of the people. Plaintiffs have attacked the judiciary, including every prior court that has dismissed their claim, as unpatriotic and even treasonous for refusing to grant their requests and for adhering to the terms of the Constitution which set forth its jurisdiction. Respecting the constitutional role and jurisdiction of this Court is not unpatriotic. Quite the contrary, this Court considers commitment to that constitutional role to be the ultimate reflection of patriotism.

Therefore, for the reasons stated above, Defendants’ Motion to Dismiss is GRANTED.

IT IS SO ORDERED.
DATED: October 29, 2009
_______________________________
DAVID O. CARTER
United States District Judge

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In this Carter stated “The Constitution does not include a role for the Court in that process.” In fact, he pointed to Quo Warranto Action as the appropriate route to dealing with this issue.
As such, Lucas evidence and Affidavits are not dead, they are part of public record, and can be pulled up, and used, at will by any attorney. It should be further pointed out that it was Lucas who refused when Taitz wanted him to falsely say in court that an incident where he was almost hit by a car in Los Angeles amounted to an “attempt on my life” by operatives sent by President Obama. This tells me that his goal was to honestly remove Obama, not to get him with any means. IMO this displayed his honesty, and put into question Orly Taitz. Judge Carter, the judge in the case suggested Taitz may have suborned perjury. He never once questioned Smith’s statements.
Here is the Scribd statment which, by the way, did not further Orly Taitz case:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/21451147/Lucas-Daniel-Smith-10-12-09-new-Declaration-SACV09-00082-DOC-Anx

By the way, you still have not answered Lucas Smith...why not?

[etraveler13]

We are all waiting:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mtSjve8ciM&feature=related

He said a yes/no answer was sufficient, and that you did not need a reciept...

I would love to hear anyone say that they believe anything you say, anybody?

Yes or no? We ALL are waiting...

[Mik Taerg]

After you answer my questions.