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Three Reasons Evolution is a Bankrupt Theory (audio)
Evil Conservative Radio ^ | 25 Nov 09 | EC

Posted on 11/25/2009 5:15:33 AM PST by nysuperdoodle

EC takes on the liberals' sacred cow of evolution and their favorite book," The Origin of the Species or The Preservation of Favored Races." EC discusses three crucial areas where Darwin's half-baked theory, and his fully-baked followers, fall flat.

1. The mysterious total absence of "transitional" fossils. 2. The intellectual dishonesty of failing to differentiate between macro-evolution, which is when a new species mutates from an existing species (has never been observed) and micro-evolution (what we used to call adaptation and happens all the time). 3. Darwinists say mutations bring new species and improved functionality, but every mutation ever recorded seems to do exactly the opposite. Mutations are never good.

I'm not even going to comment on Darwin's racism and how his little tome has been used to justify mass murder and genocide repeatedly. Oh crap. Maybe I just did.

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1 posted on 11/25/2009 5:15:33 AM PST by nysuperdoodle
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To: nysuperdoodle

All this garbage has been posted before.


2 posted on 11/25/2009 5:18:07 AM PST by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: nysuperdoodle

Ping self to see if smokers drop buts on a powder keg.


3 posted on 11/25/2009 5:19:50 AM PST by Tenacious 1 (Government For the People - an obviously concealed oxymoron)
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To: nysuperdoodle
Whenever I want unbiased stories
about Science I always go to the
Evil Conservative Radio.


(See my Tagline)

4 posted on 11/25/2009 5:22:22 AM PST by DoctorMichael (Creationists: The Ignorant amplifying the Stupid.)
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To: Moonman62

“All this garbage has been posted before.”

I kind of doubt that, since it came from my radio program that aired last night. But I certainly do appreciate you ignorantly commenting on something you didn’t bother to listen to.


5 posted on 11/25/2009 5:23:08 AM PST by nysuperdoodle
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To: DoctorMichael

yeah those scientists, they can be TRUSTED!!!

Just look to Global Warming for proof of that.


6 posted on 11/25/2009 5:28:23 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: DoctorMichael

“What’s your degree in? ... Dentistry?” ...


7 posted on 11/25/2009 5:31:34 AM PST by dartuser ("Nothing sways the stupid more than arguments they can't understand")
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To: driftdiver
Help me spread the Word!
The Designer has been here!


(See my Tagline)

8 posted on 11/25/2009 5:38:06 AM PST by DoctorMichael (Creationists: The crazy Aunts and Uncles of Conservatism.)
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To: DoctorMichael

Creator, not designer.


9 posted on 11/25/2009 5:38:49 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: nysuperdoodle
1. The mysterious total absence of "transitional" fossils.

Falls apart right off the bat. Science has identified hundreds of fossils that they believe are transitional.

Link

10 posted on 11/25/2009 5:41:44 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: driftdiver
Help me spread the word!
The Creationist Designer has been here!


11 posted on 11/25/2009 5:45:33 AM PST by DoctorMichael (Creationists: The crazy Aunts and Uncles of Conservatism.)
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To: nysuperdoodle
You might want to consider reading this on the radio program...

The problem is with the basic laws of mathematics and probability, with which evolution is essentially incompatible.

The best illustration of how stupid evolutionism really is involves trying to become some totally new animal with new organs, a new basic plan for existence, and new requirements for integration between both old and new organs.

Take flying birds for example; suppose you aren't one, and you want to become one. You'll need a baker's dozen highly specialized systems, including wings, flight feathers, a specialized light bone structure, specialized flow-through design heart and lungs, specialized tail, specialized general balance parameters etc.

For starters, every one of these things would be antifunctional until the day on which the whole thing came together, so that the chances of evolving any of these things by any process resembling evolution (mutations plus selection) would amount to an infinitessimal, i.e. one divided by some gigantic number.

In probability theory, to compute the probability of two things happening at once, you multiply the probabilities together. That says that the likelihood of all these things ever happening at once (which is what you'd need), best case, is ten or twelve such infinitessimals multiplied together, i.e. a tenth or twelth-order infinitessimal. The whole history of the universe isn't long enough for that to happen once.

All of that was the best case. For the pieces of being a flying bird to evolve piecemeal would be much harder. In real life, natural selection could not plausibly select for hoped-for functionality, which is what would be required in order to evolve flight feathers on something which could not fly apriori. In real life, all you'd ever get would some sort of a random walk around some starting point, rather than the unidircetional march towards a future requirement which evolution requires.

And the real killer, i.e. the thing which simply kills evolutionism dead, is the following consideration: In real life, assuming you were to somehow miraculously evolve the first feature you'd need to become a flying bird, then by the time another 10,000 generations rolled around and you evolved the second such reature, the first, having been disfunctional/antifunctional all the while, would have DE-EVOLVED and either disappeared altogether or become vestigial.

Now, it would be miraculous if, given all the above, some new kind of complex creature with new organs and a new basic plan for life had ever evolved ONCE.

Evolutionism, however (the Theory of Evolution) requires that this has happened countless billions of times, i.e. an essentially infinite number of absolutely zero probability events.

And, if you were starting to think that nothing could possibly be any stupider than believing in evolution despite all of the above (i.e. that the basic stupidity of evolutionism starting from 1980 or thereabouts could not possibly be improved upon), think again. Because there is zero evidence in the fossil record to support any sort of a theory involving macroevolution, and because the original conceptions of evolution are flatly refuted by developments in population genetics since the 1950's, the latest incarnation of this theory, Steve Gould and Niles Eldredge's "Punctuated Equilibrium or punc-eek" attempts to claim that these wholesale violations of probabilistic laws all occurred so suddenly as to never leave evidence in the fossil record, and that they all occurred amongst tiny groups of animals living in "peripheral" areas. That says that some velocirapter who wanted to be a bird got together with fifty of his friends and said:

Guys, we need flight feathers, and wings, and specialized bones, hearts, lungs, and tails, and we need em NOW; not two years from now. Everybody ready, all together now:
OOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.....

You could devise a new religion by taking the single stupidest doctrine from each of the existing religions, and it would not be as stupid as THAT.

But it gets even stupider.

Again, the original Darwinian vision of gradualistic evolution is flatly refuted by the fossil record (Darwinian evolution demanded that the vast bulk of ALL fossils be intermediates) and by the findings of population genetics, particularly the Haldane dilemma and the impossible time requirements for spreading genetic changes through any sizeable herd of animals.

Consider what Gould and other punk-eekers are saying. Punc-eek amounts to a claim that all meaningful evolutionary change takes place in peripheral areas, amongst tiny groups of animals which develop some genetic advantage, and then move out and overwhelm, outcompete, and replace the larger herds. They are claiming that this eliminates the need to spread genetic change through any sizeable herd of animals and, at the same time, is why we never find intermediate fossils (since there are never enough of these CHANGELINGS to leave fossil evidence).

Obvious problems with punctuated equilibria include, minimally:

1. It is a pure pseudoscience seeking to explain and actually be proved by a lack of evidence rather than by evidence (all the missing intermediate fossils). Similarly, Cotton Mather claimed that the fact that nobody had ever seen or heard a witch was proof they were there (if you could SEE them, they wouldn't BE witches...) This kind of logic is less inhibiting than the logic they used to teach in American schools.

2. PE amounts to a claim that inbreeding is the most major source of genetic advancement in the world. Apparently Steve Gould never saw Deliverance...

3. PE requires these tiny peripheral groups to conquer vastly larger groups of animals millions if not billions of times, which is like requiring Custer to win at the little Big Horn every day, for millions of years.

4. PE requires an eternal victory of animals specifically adapted to localized and parochial conditions over animals which are globally adapted, which never happens in real life.

5. For any number of reasons, you need a minimal population of any animal to be viable. This is before the tiny group even gets started in overwhelming the vast herds. A number of American species such as the heath hen became non-viable when their numbers were reduced to a few thousand; at that point, any stroke of bad luck at all, a hard winter, a skewed sex ratio in one generation, a disease of some sort, and it's all over. The heath hen was fine as long as it was spread out over the East coast of the U.S. The point at which it got penned into one of these "peripheral" areas which Gould and Eldredge see as the salvation for evolutionism, it was all over.

The sort of things noted in items 3 and 5 are generally referred to as the "gambler's problem", in this case, the problem facing the tiny group of "peripheral" animals being similar to that facing a gambler trying to beat the house in blackjack or roulette; the house could lose many hands of cards or rolls of the dice without flinching, and the globally-adapted species spread out over a continent could withstand just about anything short of a continental-scale catastrophe without going extinct, while two or three bad rolls of the dice will bankrupt the gambler, and any combination of two or three strokes of bad luck will wipe out the "peripheral" species. Gould's basic method of handling this problem is to ignore it.

And there's one other thing which should be obvious to anybody attempting to read through Gould and Eldridge's BS:

The don't even bother to try to provide a mechanism or technical explaination of any sort for this "punk-eek"

They are claiming that at certain times, amongst tiny groups of animals living in peripheral areas, a "speciation event(TM)" happens, and THEN the rest of it takes place. In other words, they are saying:

ASSUMING that Abracadabra-Shazaam(TM) happens, then the rest of the business proceeds as we have described in our scholarly discourse above!

Again, Gould and Eldridge require that the Abracadabra-Shazaam(TM) happen not just once, but countless billions of times, i.e. at least once for every kind of complex creature which has ever walked the Earth. They do not specify whether this amounts to the same Abracadabra-Shazaam each time, or a different kind of Abracadabra-Shazaam for each creature.


spliffordbat

Splifford the bat says: Always remember,
A mind is a terrible thing to waste, especially on an evolutionist.

Just say NO to narcotic drugs, alcohol abuse,
and corrupt ideological doctrines.

12 posted on 11/25/2009 6:20:33 AM PST by wendy1946
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To: Non-Sequitur
Falls apart right off the bat. Science has identified hundreds of fossils that they believe are transitional.

That entire talk.origins "FAQ" system is garbage. In fact some refer to it as an FGU (Frequenetly Given-out Understanding) system, the pronounciation being fairly obvious. Darwinism required that the vast bulk of all fossils be intermediates, and the big 140-year search for intermediate fossils has yielded two or three dozen or so questionable specimens, half of which turned out to be deliberate fakes and frauds. All honest commentary notes that intermediate fossils do not exist in any real sense.

Moreover, the lack of such intermediates was one of the two motivations for "Punctuated Equilibria", the other being the Haldane dilemma and the impossible time requirements for spreading genetic change through sizable herds of creatures, but the lack of intermediates was the larger problem. If, as evolosers like to claim, there was no shortage of intermediate fossils, then Gould, Eldridge, and the other people involved in Punk-Eek would clearly not have gone to the trouble.

13 posted on 11/25/2009 6:29:00 AM PST by wendy1946
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To: wendy1946
That entire talk.origins "FAQ" system is garbage.

Because you say it is? Well thanks for clearing that up for us.

Darwinism required that the vast bulk of all fossils be intermediates, and the big 140-year search for intermediate fossils has yielded two or three dozen or so questionable specimens, half of which turned out to be deliberate fakes and frauds.

OK, in that list that FAQ presents which are the deliberate fakes and frauds?

14 posted on 11/25/2009 6:34:18 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: nysuperdoodle

So you repeating old garbage on your radio program makes it new?


15 posted on 11/25/2009 6:36:10 AM PST by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: Non-Sequitur
The talk.origins transitional fossil FAQ is basically a big, stupid lie, regardless of how impressive it might look on first glance. What they have is a collection of oddities, each with its own special little story, sort of like the freak show at the carnival.

Evolutionists have been combing the world frantically for intermediate form fossils for over 100 years now, and that's all they've got; that's nothing. Evolution requires that the vast bulk of all fossils should be intermediate forms. Every intelligent statement I have ever read on the subject refers to the lack of intermediate fossils as a major problem for evolution. The only esception to this I have ever seen is the talk.origins FAQ.

Stephen Gould, Eldredge, Mayr, and others have all been quoted to the effect that there are no real intermediate forms. Alexander Mebane (of Tampa Bay skeptics) notes wrt Gould's explaination for this:

But it may be questioned, on obvious probability grounds, whether this way of accounting for the observed absence of intermediates will really wash. Admitting that every intermediate stage "must have" a small population, we may nevertheless observe that there must have been a far greater number of them than of the stable, " finished" species known to us, since (according to the Darwinist picture) every species-transition must necessarily pass through several intermediate stages. That greater number would increase the likelihood that some intermediate forms, here and there, would chance to be preserved as fossils. And the dogma further requires that the larger transitions - between different genera, families, orders, classes, and even different phyla, must all have come about in just the same gradual and continuous manner, simply by a long- continued succession of normal species-transitions! We have all seen "genealogical trees" drawn by evolutionists, to show the order in which these taxonomic groups have all come into existence over a long period, by successive "branchings from a common root".

But it must be asked: Where are all the fossils that should have been left by the many millions of species that this tree requires to have once existed on its trunk, boughs, and branches, before its final branchings took place? Why are none of these seen in the fossil record of the period during which the evolutionists' tree requires them to have lived? (That this perhaps surprising charge does not exaggerate the real situation will be seen under "First Taxonomic Disconfirmation", where the explicitly contradicts Darwinian testimony of the "transformed cladists" will be presented.)

Moreover, why have none of this great multitude of Darwinian intermediate species chanced to survive unchanged to our own time, among the considerable number of ancient life-forms that, as we know, have had the luck to do so? You may perhaps have read that that actually ts the case: the lungfishes, the monotremes (platypus) and the hoatzin, among others, were at one time said to show us "living fossils" of "primitive" life at a stage that was still intermediate to two different later forms, and ancestral to both of them. But those claims are no longer heard; for, on closer investigation, all of these creatures turned out to be curious "mosaic" constructions of a kind that could not rationally be seen as representing the real historical transitions between one group and another. (See Denton's book for a detailed exposition of these cases.) The recent discovery' of that living fossil par excellence, the coelacanth, was an exciting event for evolutionists, because these "lobe-finned" fish were supposed to have already begun to "evolve toward amphi- bians"; but when a well-preserved specimen was obtained, examination of its fins and its internal organs (previously unknown and only guessed-at) quashed that fond hope for some real confirmation of Darwin's ideas, and I think that you will no longer find coelacanths called "pre-amphibians".

Mebane's statement wrt the platypus that

"those claims are no longer heard; for, on closer investigation, all of these creatures turned out to be curious "mosaic" constructions of a kind that could not rationally be seen as representing the real historical transitions between one group and another. (See Denton's book for a detailed exposition of these cases.)"

should obviously be amended to read something like "...are no longer being heard from intelligent or honest people. Kathleen Hunt's intermediate fossil faq reads:

"Those wondering how egg-laying reptiles could make the transition to placental mammals may wish to study the reproductive biology of the monotremes (egg-laying mammals) and the marsupials. The monotremes in particular could almost be considered "living transitional fossils". [see Peter Lamb's suggested marsupial references at end]

This is what I mean in saying that the stuff you read in the talk.origins FAQ system is only being put out by lesser lights and dead wood; nobody with brains or talent who follows this stuff any more believes any of it.

Mebane writes of the Cenozoic mammals:

The most recent episode of great changes, the advent of the modern (Cenozoic) mammals after the death of the dinosaurs, is the one that we should expect to have left the best-preserved fossils of intermediate species. At the catastrophic end of the Cretaceous, 65 Myr ago, mammals were small nocturnal "tree-shrew"-like animals, none larger than cats; roughly ten million years later, we find essentially "modern" bats*, bears, and lions18. "All modern orders of mammals seem to have arisen independently and at about the same time": Wesson, p. 40, quoting Bonner 1988 and Carroll 1988.

If these vast changes really proceeded in the manner prescribed by Darwin, surely many hundreds (at the least!) of intermediate species in each lineage must once have lived during that protracted period of radical transmogrification. None of them have ever showed up in the fossil record.

And not only are all traces of intermediate species' missing, but anyone who seriously tries to imagine a believable sequence of viable intermediate animals between a tree-shrew and a bat-every one of which, according to Darwin, supplanted its predecessor by virtue of being "better adapted"! -wiII very soon be convinced that such a sequence is simply inconceivable: "What use is half a wing?" as everyone since Mivart (including even Gould) has asked. The reason we have found no trace of them is simply that they never existed, and the reason they never existed is that it would be impossible for them to have done so. It was this unavoidable conclusion that led Simpson in 1944 20 to publicly acknowledge his heretical conviction that these megaevolutionary" transformations, at least, must have occurred in some rapid and entirely non-Darwinian way. For this he was censured, and forced to recant, but it is safe to assert that no one has ever been able to sketch out, with even the slightest semblance of credibility, any Darwinian route to the already-" modern" bats that appear-twice over! in the early Cenozoic, roughly 55 million years ago.

There are in fact two distinct suborders of bats, the Microchiroptera and Megachiroptera, so pervasively different in structure that everyone agrees that they must have "evolved" quite independenty: Wesson, p.i82.


16 posted on 11/25/2009 6:54:56 AM PST by wendy1946
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To: nysuperdoodle
1. The mysterious total absence of "transitional" fossils.

Or the absence of dinosaur bones with tool marks on them. Why no spear tips are found in piles of dinosaur bones. No human and dinosaur bones found in the same place.

17 posted on 11/25/2009 7:02:49 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: wendy1946
For starters, every one of these things would be antifunctional until the day on which the whole thing came together, so that the chances of evolving any of these things by any process resembling evolution (mutations plus selection) would amount to an infinitessimal

The chance of winning the Lotto is very small, therefore, no one ever wins the Lotto.

18 posted on 11/25/2009 7:07:06 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

You almost have it; try this: Nobody ever wins the lottery every single day in a row for 25 years...


19 posted on 11/25/2009 7:13:33 AM PST by wendy1946
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To: wendy1946
Nobody ever wins the lottery every single day in a row for 25 years...

Somebody wins the lottery every day. What are the odds of that? LOL!

20 posted on 11/25/2009 7:15:46 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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