Bob Barr is watching them.
BARR ’08
Posted on 05/21/2008 10:01:44 AM PDT by mukraker
I answered the question asked in the topic of the thread, IF someone refused to vote for McCain I would suggest voting for Reagan.
Again, this implies that the person asking the question WILL NOT vote for McCain, all I did was answer the question. EVERY election there will be people voting for a candidate they know has no hope of winning. My suggestion to THOSE people (assuming they’re conservative) is to not vote for the Libertarian Barr or other fringe candidate.
It’s not my job to recruit for John McCain, John McCain has effectively given the middle finger to all conservatives. It’s up to McCain to earn my vote, not for me to vote for him because he’s not Obama, no one hates democrats more than me.
I don’t think anyone needs to be reminded about what not voting for McCain could mean, I think about 99.9% of the people here understand the math. Again, for you and Bob J, etc., I simply answered the question posed in the thread knowing that some will never vote for McCain no matter how much brow beating and scolding comes from you and others.
Assuming you can’t convert that last 3-4% vote, (which you can’t) wouldn’t it be better for ALL OF US if it went to Reagan instead of Libertarian, Constitution Party, etc.?
Blame McCain, not me. I did answer the question posed in the thread, If John McCain wasn’t who he is, we wouldn’t see these kinds of threads.
Uhhh, I was responding to this post...
“Could you imagine if Ronald Reagan got 3-4% of the vote instead of some fringe candidate? THAT would send a message.”
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Please don’t quote me as saying Uhhh, I don’t say uhhh, or ya’know or drool when I speak. Can you accept that there are some who will NEVER vote for McCain? My suggestion is for THOSE people, only. Specifically, the person asking about BARR, a vote for Barr says you’re a libertarian, not a conservative.
Quote? Where are the quotation marks? How about the italians?
Are you drinking?
I am sick and tired of this slow cook toward socialism.
Vote for Bob Barr ... or whoever the Constitution Party puts forward ... see Barack get elected and then see him try to turn us into Great Britain overnight.
Maybe then people will wise up, revolt, and start heading back toward the Constitutional Republic we once were.
Some will say that we can't even afford that because in the few short years he is in office he could fill SCOTUS vacancies that will last for decades.
To that I say BUNK! If he puts in real losers then I am sure there is a way we can impeach them if they go too much against a hopefully improved tide of opinion.
If not, then America ends up getting what it deserves and life becomes a bit more fair.
I certainly hope you never voted for that horrible Ronald "union member" Reagan.
And whatever you do don't dare let your "thinking" process be debilitated by heeding the words of:
William "pot-smoker" Buckley, Jr
Whittaker "commie" Chambers
Norman "leftist" Podhoretz
You’re a real wiseguy, I half expected you to say “where’s the quotation marks”
You quoted me and added UHHH, in front of my words, since you didn’t use quotation marks it means you didn’t quote me?. Don’t play silly games.
Re: Are you drinking? You’re not very funny, just a smarmy smart aleck.
Re: The Italians, what the hell are you talking about?
For such a “distinguished” freeper, you sure are acting like a class A jerk in this thread. You have dropped considerably in my opinion, (I’m sure you care).
If this is the way you recruit for John McCain, you’re failing horribly.
I accept some people won’t vote for McCain, I suggested for THOSE people to write in Reagan, get it? Obviously not.
I made a suggestion in response to the OP, you came to be a smart aleck and start a fight. Your “witticisms” such as “if you wan’t to send a message go to Western Union’ HAR, HAR, HAR!!!, and “Are you drinking” HAR, HAR, HAR!!! And irrelevancies “What about the Italians”, HAR, HAR, HAR, are duly noted.
Comedy is NOT your strong suit, nor is staying on subject or being respectful of your fellow conservatives.
By the way Bob, Mark Levin hasn’t decided if he’s voting for McCain yet either, would you like to start insulting him now too?
Even if Barr didn't run (and there's no guarantees he'll be the LP nominee, there are 3 other libertarians vying for the nomination), a lot of conservatives are so angry with the GOP that they would've wrote in somebody else's name anyway. Plus you have the young adults and libertarians who've been crapped on by the GOP for years who would have wrote in Ron Paul's name.
That said, I wouldn't vote for Barr because of his ACLU ties, his head-in-the-sand defense policy and the fact that his foreign policy is even weaker than Paul's. I'm also glad that Paul isn't running 3rd party. I was hoping for a pure McCain vs Obama matchup so if McCain loses the GOP would have no choice but to become conservatives again. Unfortunately, now that Barr is running, the GOP have their scapegoat, they can keep being RINOs and keep blaming 3rd parties for their losses, as if they're somehow owed votes from disgruntled conservatives. Anyway, McCain is screwed. The base is angry, and with Ron Paul he at least prevented the libertarians from voting 3rd party had the GOP given him a voice, and he raised a bunch of money with virtually no media or political party support.
If the GOP wants to prevent future Bob Barrs from seeking the LP nomination, they need to at least co-opt several libertarian issues and start getting serious about cutting the size of government and spending again.
The RNC will be even happier. Like I said, they'll have a scapegoat and there won't be any incentive to return to conservatism. I'd rather have McCain lose to Obama straight up.
3-4% out of the McCain vote will elect even Hussein Obama.
Again, that's McCain's/RNC's problem, not voters who choose to vote for whomever they wish. No candidate or political party has a monopoly on voters, and your posting on FR, which is the equivalent of shouting inside of a locked bank vault for help, at Americans to vote for McCain is laughable. McCain's gotta earn people's votes.
You’ll get what you and apparently Rush want
The same Rush that never endorsed true conservatives like Duncan Hunter or Fred Thompson from the get-go and desperately asked his listeners to vote for Hillary in an "operation" with mixed results?
complete democrap rule to make the nation pay for the foolishness of allowing Republicans to drift away from conservatism.
Better than the drip-drip socialist ruin under McCain and the Whig II party.
I don’t know about Barr. But the more I hear from McCain, the less likely it appears to be that he will ever earn my vote.
Let’s face it - no third party candidate is going to win this year. Nor next time, nor the time after that. But if enough conservatives skip voting for the top of the ticket, maybe the GOP will stop telling us to get lost.
Great post. Thanks.
For those who’d like to educate themselves:
http://bobbarr.org
Barr and the ACLU:
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2010888/posts
JMHO, but I think all too often we think of the voting process as picking the candidate we most closely agree with and all too often we forget that the outcome of the process is the selection of the next president of the US. Since these are not necessarily the same thing, I cannot, in good conscience waste my vote on a third party.
With all due respect, that's a very myopic view. Voting for the lesser of two evils in the short term may nevertheless lead to more evil in the long term. If your conscience doesn't allow you to vote for the candidate on the ballot that you feel is best suited to be President, then the problem is that you have bought into the lie perpetuated by the two parties in power that wish to retain that power and keep it from outsiders.
I dare say the Founding Fathers would be absolutely disgusted at the notion of voting for the lesser of two enemies of freedom, to the detriment of a champion of freedom, because of the raw fear of governance at the hands of the greater enemy of freedom.
The lesser enemy of freedom is still an enemy.
Since Jesus Christ is not on the ballot, any vote involves choosing between the lesser of two evils. That my FreeperFriend is life.
If voting my conscience and convictions means I don't meet your definition of a "true patriot," then I'm pleased to disappoint you.
There is a difference between being fearful and being realistic. There will be only two candidates on the ballot with any realistic chance of winning. You must not think much of the value of your ballot to waste it on an unrealistic choice.
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