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Abolish the police? Organizers say it’s less crazy than it sounds.
The Chicago Reader ^ | August 24, 2016 | Maya Dukmasova

Posted on 08/26/2016 12:12:00 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Until that moment on Fox News, Jessica Disu hadn't considered herself a police abolitionist. But on July 11, she was on national television, surrounded by 29 other people convened by Megyn Kelly to discuss the recent killings of Alton Sterling, Philando Castile, and several Dallas police officers.

"I was under the impression that it would be a robust and productive conversation, even though it was Fox News," says 27-year-old Disu, who identifies herself as a "humanitarian rap artist and peace activist" and is involved with various organizations serving youth on the south side. She prepared her message before going on the show: "It should be against the law for an officer to shoot a civilian," she says. "That was what my message was supposed to be."

Disu was seated in the front row, wearing a green dress, black blazer, and gold hoop earrings, her braids pulled up in a bun. Next to her was Ron Hosko, a former assistant director of the FBI. Also present at the forum: several retired NYPD officers, a "conservative voter," a black pastor from Baltimore active with Black Lives Matter, a black pastor from Los Angeles who said Black Lives Matter was "worse than the KKK," a civil rights attorney, a civil rights movement leader, a white woman who referred to Newt Gingrich's "beautifully" spoken comments on race relations, a black Trump supporter, a "Second Amendment advocate," and several unidentified others.

The discussion quickly turned raucous, with panelists shouting over each other as Kelly called on participants to answer polemical questions in quick succession....

(Excerpt) Read more at chicagoreader.com ...


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KEYWORDS: blacklivesmatter; commiefrontgroup; communist; crime; ghetto; lawenforcement; police
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1 posted on 08/26/2016 12:12:00 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; All

Soros and company are attempting to delegitimize the police to destabalize the nation.

Rather than accept failed DemonCrat policies and politicians are responsible for the crime-ridden neighborhoods in all of our major cities, they externalize the blame by telling the Big Lie. The Big Lie is even though the president is black, the AG, the mayors in the major cities, there’s some evil white man conspiracy to kill innocent blacks via the police.

Instead of calling 9-1-1 and stopping crime, they’d prefer greater chaos.

Why?

To create a crisis. The solution to the crisis will be confiscate all guns “fast like Australia did” (Matt Damon said this last month). Then have a federal police only. No local (state or sheriff). National police under the control of the president (Hillary).

First step though is to create the crisis. They also want to keep blacks on the Democrat plantation by keeping them in the victim mentality.

Doesn’t matter if it creates chaos and endangers the lives of police officers and victims. Small price to pay on the great march forward toward total federal control over all policing and confiscation of all guns to stop resistance.


2 posted on 08/26/2016 12:18:48 AM PDT by TigerClaws
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

No, the “organizers” are themselves batshit crazy


3 posted on 08/26/2016 12:21:27 AM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
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Disu's a Dindu.

4 posted on 08/26/2016 12:24:11 AM PDT by Byron_the_Aussie (Globalism = Terrorism)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Democrats for Lawlessness.


5 posted on 08/26/2016 12:31:39 AM PDT by CptnObvious
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I always think of the old song, “I fought the law, and the law won” . This was the limit of rebellion. The song recognized and celebrated the rebellious spirit, but accepted the context of inevitable consequences.

Now, not so much.


6 posted on 08/26/2016 12:33:48 AM PDT by dr_lew
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To: TigerClaws

Then when all is destabilized - in comes the national police, less accountability and more chaos ensues


7 posted on 08/26/2016 12:39:05 AM PDT by Nailbiter
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

In Berlin I don’t even know where the local police station is. And we been living in this place for the last 9 years. I hardly see the police. I need to get around more it seems.

Come to think of it I am sure there is no local police station. We live on a peninsula.


8 posted on 08/26/2016 12:50:47 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It is an interesting question. Read Crichton’s “Great Train Robbery”.

He deals not just with the question of the robbery itself but the early development of the police. He points out that early on the people hired to do the job were the ones who knew the most about crime. Criminals. The result, in not a few cases, was predictable. The people one turned to when victimized by crime were but a notch above the perpetrators.

Not to say that one had no alternative. The cry “Stop, THIEF” in those days precipitated a response from the public that could be excessive in proportion. The arrival of police in those days was more to protect the criminal in many instances.

Centuries of development of professional policing have helped greatly but has also reduced the public resistance to and acceptance of crime.

Notice as well that prisons long predated the invention of police. In fact, the LAST piece of our system of justice was the police.


9 posted on 08/26/2016 12:55:32 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If they abolish the police they might as well abolish the prisons and the rule of law. Chicago should try it first and see how well it works for them.


10 posted on 08/26/2016 1:04:25 AM PDT by teacherwoes (Indoctrination is often done under the shadow of a gun)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Go for it.

The places I usually hang my hat, Texas, southwest, etc., would keep on marching along and the criminals would find that the absence of police would just hasten the justice aspect.

However, the jungles of the inner cities would become an actual hell on earth, and deservedly so.


11 posted on 08/26/2016 1:19:18 AM PDT by wbarmy (I chose to be a sheepdog once I saw what happens to the sheep.)
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Actually it’s already been tried in much of Detroit and Muslim majority neighbourhoods throughout Europe. When the police stop patrolling chaos ensues. Much of Chicago is already an impenetrable slum where the police act as body collectors, not law enforcers, because of the lack of cooperation from those they are trying to protect. America’s inner cities - like much of Africa - has returned to the law of the jungle. It’s worse than the Wild West because there are no good guys.


12 posted on 08/26/2016 1:44:21 AM PDT by littleharbour
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

You can abolish the police. But you’re going to have to incarcerate or kill a whole lot of people to ever have any peace.


13 posted on 08/26/2016 3:06:27 AM PDT by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job....)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Abolishing the police would lead to severe social unrest & chaos—something the globalist/marxists would be happy to see.

Vote trump 2016


14 posted on 08/26/2016 3:33:01 AM PDT by TheStickman (Trump will be the 1st Pro America president since Reagan)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"...who identifies herself as a "humanitarian rap artist and peace activist" and is involved with various organizations serving youth on the south side."

"peace activist", eh? I wonder if the naive little dope knows what the organizers' true agenda is. I'd bet she does.

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Who Is Doing the Community Organizing for Black Lives Matter Spectacle?

Not many Black Lives Matter morons would have the initiative to get a poster printed. But it's no mystery where they get the signs that they jab in the air as they chant "What do we want? Dead cops!" The supplier is printed right across the bottom: revcom.us .

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'Rev' is for revolutionary.
'Com' is for communist
.

Revcom.us bills itself as "the voice of the Revolutionary Communist Party, USA." The explicit objective is to overthrow our constitutional republic and replace it with an oligarchical collectivist dictatorship along the lines of North Korea and the Soviet Union.

Why would advocates of a communist police state agitate against the police? Because as leftists used to admit openly, the issue is never the issue. This isn't about the police, any more than it is about blacks. It is about destabilizing the system so as to create opportunities to weaken it and eventually overthrow it.

That's what community organizing boils down to. These people have taken over the executive branch of the federal government; why would they stop there?

The next hill they take will be federal control of local police. After that, things will start to get scary.

http://moonbattery.com/?p=54033
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From the website of the Revolutionary Communist Party (revcom.us):

"Create Public Opinion, Seize Power: We are preparing minds and organizing forces for the time when there is a major crack in the system, whenever it comes and wherever it comes from: an opening that makes it possible to bring the future Revolutionary Army of the Proletariat (R.A.P.) into the field and wage a revolutionary armed struggle that actually has a chance of winning.

And we have said that building our party itself is the most important part of organizing forces for revolution. This is true now, and it is true looking forward to the creation of that future R.A.P. and the waging of that armed struggle.":

http://revcom.us/a/v20/1000-1009/1000/barw.htm

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The 1992 LA/Rodney King riots were instigated by the Revolutionary Communist Party...

From David Horowitz's FrontpageMag.com /DiscoverTheNetworks.org:

"Throughout its history, one of RCP's [Revolutionary Communist Party] principal objectives has been to foment civil unrest in the United States. The most notable example of such efforts occurred on April 29, 1992, when RCP members looted and trashed the downtown and government districts of Los Angeles, triggering the infamous Rodney King riots. During the days immediately preceding the violence, RCP -- which maintained close ties to the L.A. gangs known as the Crips and the Bloods -- had circulated throughout South Central Los Angeles a leaflet featuring a statement by RCP National Spokesman Carl Dix, titled 'It's Right To Rebel' -- a quote popularized by Mao Zedong.

Encouraged by Dix, RCP activists helped lead the riots that would leave 58 people dead, more than 2,300 people injured, some 5,300 buildings burned, and $1 billion in property damaged or destroyed. On the ten-year anniversary of the rioting, RCP member Joseph Veale fondly recalled the violence as 'the most beautiful, the most heroic civil action in the history of the United States.'"
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6197
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REVOLUTION: Voice of the Revolutionary Communist Party, USA [Maoist]
[Revolution] Interview with Bill Ayers, Revolution #63, October 1, 2006:
"On Progressive Education, Critical Thinking and the Cowardice of Some in Dangerous Times"
http://web.archive.org/web/20110727113745/http://rwor.org/a/063/ayers-en.html

15 posted on 08/26/2016 3:50:17 AM PDT by ETL (God PLEASE help America...ASAP)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
 photo Revolutionary Communist Party - Aug 2016 3_zps5vbc1isq.jpg

Statement from Carl Dix:

Milwaukee Explodes in Righteous Rebellion as Police Kill Again!

August 14, 2016 | Revolution Newspaper | revcom.us

Saturday night people in Milwaukee poured into the streets in rebellion after police gunned down another Black man. The authorities wasted no time in demonizing the person gunned down, 23-year-old Sylville Smith—saying that he was armed and had a lengthy criminal record—trying to justify the murderous actions of their cops. But still people took to the streets, in the face of cops flooding the neighborhood armed to the teeth and even shooting at people to try to force them to disperse. People have righteously defended themselves in the face of this savage pig violence.

This rebellion is right on time. Despite police wearing body cameras, despite Department of Justice reports that expose the racism and abuse in police departments across the country, despite commission meetings and talk of reforms, police continue to kill people again and again. And the whole system continues to exonerate the killer cops when their murderous deeds get dragged into the light of day. People in Milwaukee have refused to accept this state-sponsored murder in silence, and they are right to do so. And everyone who stands for justice must have their backs.

This spirit must be built on and spread. In order to end the horror of police getting away with murder, it has to become part of an actual revolution; one that overthrows this system, defeating and dismantling its institutions of violent suppression, and brings into being a totally different and far better system. We need to live in a world where those responsible for public security would sooner lose their own lives than kill or injure an innocent person. It’ll take a revolution to bring that kind of world into being.

The Revolutionary Communist Party is organizing right now for that actual revolution. The Party is preparing the ground—influencing people and society as a whole toward revolution and toward fighting the outrages of society… the Party is preparing the people—raising people’s sights to the different world that is possible and the leadership we have in Bob Avakian and the Party he leads to realize that world… and preparing the vanguard—getting ready for the time when millions can be led to go for revolution, all-out, with a real chance to win.

If you hate seeing police murder Black people and others again and again, if you want to see a world where this horror is no more, get with the RCP and the ACTUAL revolution it is organizing! Go to www.revcom.us and join with the Revolution Club. Get organized for an actual revolution!

http://revcom.us/a/452/carl-dix-milwaukee-explodes-in-righteous-rebellion-as-police-kill-again-en.html

16 posted on 08/26/2016 3:50:44 AM PDT by ETL (God PLEASE help America...ASAP)
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Hillary, the Black Lives Matter Candidate

Where racist pandering and cop-hatred meet.

CLEVELAND -- Hillary Clinton's appalling address to black activists yesterday suggests that she may be an even more fanatical supporter of the dangerous, violent Black Lives Matter movement than Barack Obama. ..."

http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/263564/hillary-black-lives-matter-candidate-matthew-vadum


17 posted on 08/26/2016 3:52:03 AM PDT by ETL (God PLEASE help America...ASAP)
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To: ETL

From the wording on that podium the NAACP is lined up with Black
Lives Matter. Shocker.


18 posted on 08/26/2016 3:55:01 AM PDT by uncitizen (Americanism NOT Globalism! - Trump)
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To: All; 2ndDivisionVet
In case anyone didn't know, the original Black Panthers were a communist-revolutionary domestic terrorist group like Bill Ayers' Weather Underground and the Black Liberation Army. All were Maoist to be precise.

Hillary and the [original 1960s] Black Panthers: The Real Story

Legaled.com ^ | Aug 19, 2003 | Richard Poe

I can't take it anymore. If one more person sends me that e-mail about Hillary and the Black Panthers, I'll have to be dragged away screaming in a straitjacket.

You know the e-mail I'm talking about. It accuses Hillary of helping the Black Panthers get away with torture and murder during the early 1970s. With the 2004 presidential race drawing near, the spam mills are creaking to life, flooding the Internet once more with this agitprop classic.

Unfortunately, the e-mail mingles good information with bad, sowing more confusion than enlightenment. Some versions, for instance, carry the byline of radio talk jock Paul Harvey, who says he did not write it. Such misrepresentations help Hillary defenders dismiss the e-mail as a hoax.

The story is no hoax, though. Its basic elements can be found in respected Hillary biographies and exposes such as Barbara Olson's "Hell to Pay," David Brock's "The Seduction of Hillary Rodham," Joyce Milton's "The First Partner" and Carl Limbacher's "Hillary's Scheme."

Here are the facts:

In May 1969, fishermen discovered the body of Black Panther Alex Rackley floating in Connecticut's Coginchaug River. Rackley's captors had clubbed him, burned him with cigarettes, scalded him with boiling water and stabbed him with an ice pick before finally shooting him in the head.

New Haven detectives learned that the Panthers suspected Rackley of being a police informer. Panther enforcers had tied him to a chair and tortured him for hours. Police arrested eight Panthers and later extradited Panther leader Bobby Seale from California, after a witness accused Seale of ordering Rackley's death. (1)

Campus radicals supported the Panthers. They organized mass protests in support of the so-called "New Haven Nine." Hillary was right in the thick of it.

By the time she entered Yale Law School in 1969, Hillary was already a radical celebrity on campus. Life magazine had featured Hillary in a piece titled, "The Class of '69," which showcased three student activists whom Life's editors deemed the best and brightest of the year. A line Hillary used in her Wellesley College commencement speech appeared under her photo: "Protest is an attempt to forge an identity." (2)

At Yale, Hillary helped edit the Yale Review of Law and Social Action -- a left-wing journal which promoted cop-killing and featured cartoons of pig-faced police. (3)

A series of hard-Left mentors introduced Hillary to the brass-knuckle realities of revolutionary activism. As a Wellesley undergraduate, she met and interviewed radical organizer Saul Alinsky, whose Machiavellian tactics she admired. Hillary's senior thesis supported Alinsky's call for class warfare. (4)

At Yale, Hillary found a new Svengali in the form of left-wing law professor Thomas Emerson, known around campus as "Tommy the Commie." Emerson recruited Hillary and other students to help monitor the trial of the New Haven Nine for civil rights violations. Hillary took charge of the operation, scheduling the students in shifts, so that student monitors would always be present in the courtroom. She befriended and worked closely with Panther lawyer Charles Garry. (5)

Some believe that the enormous pressure exerted by the Left helped ensure light sentences for the New Haven Nine. Whether or not this is true, the punishments were mild.

"Only one of the killers was still in prison in 1977," reports John McCaslin in the Washington Times. "The gunman, Warren Kimbro, got a Harvard scholarship and became an assistant dean at Eastern Connecticut State College. Ericka Huggins, who boiled the water for Mr. Rackley's torture, got elected to a California school board." (6)

Hillary's defenders argue that she played no "significant" role in the New Haven Nine's defense. This is semantic hairsplitting. Obviously, Hillary was less "significant" than Charles Garry or "Tommy the Commie" Emerson. But Hillary served as a trusted lieutenant to these movers and shakers. Moreover, she had a national profile as a campus activist. Hillary was no rank-and-file student protester, as her apologists claim.

Indeed, Hillary's work for the Panthers won her a summer internship at the Berkeley office of attorney Robert Treuhaft in 1972. A hardline Stalinist, Treuhaft had quit the Communist Party in 1958 only because it was losing members and no longer provided a good platform for his activism. (7) "Treuhaft is a man who dedicated his entire legal career to advancing the agenda of the Soviet Communist Party and the KGB," notes historian Stephen Schwartz. (8)

The defense of the New Haven Nine marked Hillary's initiation into the sinister underworld of the hard-core, revolutionary Left. To my knowledge, Hillary has never publicly renounced nor apologized for her role in that movement.

Richard Poe is a New York Times best-selling author and cyberjournalist. For more information on Poe and his writings, visit his Web site, RichardPoe.com. He may be reached at richardpoe@....

References
1. Joyce Milton, The First Partner: Hillary Rodham Clinton. William, Morrow and Company, Inc., New York, 1999, p. 35. Barbara Olson, Hell to Pay: The Unfolding Story of Hillary Rodham Clinton. Regnery Publishing, Washington, D.C., 1999, p. 55.
2. Milton, 1999, p. 34; Olson, 1999, pp. 40-45.
3. Olson, 1999, p. 59-61; Evan Gahr, "Hillary and the Cop-Bashers: Will the Real Ms. Rodham Please Stand Up?" JewishWorldReview.com, June 20, 2000.
4. David Brock, The Seduction of Hillary Rodham. The Free Press, New York, 1996, pp. 14-17; Olson, 1999, pp. 46, 48, 50.
5. Milton, 1999, p. 17; Brock, 1996, pp. 31-32; Olson, 1999, p. 54-56.
6. John McCaslin, "Hillary for the Defense." Inside the Beltway, The Washington Times, June 12, 1998, p. A9.
7. Olson, 1999, pp. 56-57.
8. Brock, 1996, p. 33.

http://www.legaled.com/hillaryatyale.htm

Or,

http://web.archive.org/web/20041013065041/http://www.legaled.com/hillaryatyale.htm
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From the Maoist Internationist Movement:
[1960s/original] Black Panther Party [BPP] Archives
From the article: REVOLUTIONARY HEROES

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"On May 1st, May Day [1969], the day of the gigantic Free Huey rally, two of Alioto's top executioners vamped on the brothers from the Brown Community who were attending to their own affairs. These brothers, who are endowed with the revolutionary spirit of the Black Panther Party defended themselves from the racist pig gestapo [the police].

Pig Joseph Brodnik received his just reward with a big hole in the chest. Pig Paul McGoran got his in the mouth which was not quite enough to off him.

The revolutionary brothers escaped the huge swarm of pigs with dogs, mace, tanks and helicopters, proving once again that "the spirit of the people is greater than the man's technology."

To these brothers the revolutionary people of racist America want to say, by your revolutionary deed you are heroes, and that you are always welcome to our camp."

Source: Maoist Internationist Movement
Article: REVOLUTIONARY HEROS (May 11, 1969)
http://web.archive.org/web/20060717050055/http://www.etext.org/Politics/MIM/bpp/index.html

19 posted on 08/26/2016 3:57:16 AM PDT by ETL (God PLEASE help America...ASAP)
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To: uncitizen
From the wording on that podium the NAACP is lined up with Black Lives Matter.

Both are intimately linked with the communist left.

20 posted on 08/26/2016 4:04:06 AM PDT by ETL (God PLEASE help America...ASAP)
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