Posted on 11/08/2015 9:36:32 AM PST by yoe
LOUISVILLE, Miss. — In single strokes after the massacre of nine black churchgoers in Charleston in June, Confederate battle flags were taken from statehouse grounds in South Carolina and Alabama, pulled from shelves at major retailers like Walmart and declared unwelcome, if to (limited effect), at Nascar races.
What happened so swiftly elsewhere is not so simple in Mississippi. The Confederate battle flag is not simply flying in one hotly disputed spot at the State Capitol but occupying the upper left corner of the state flag, which has been flying since 1894. (And as recently as 2001), Mississippians voted by a nearly two-to-one ratio to keep it. Recent ( polling) suggests the majority have not changed their minds.
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Your anti-South act is all used up you worthless POS.
You kiss your mama with that mouth?
jmacusa - You make it sound like the North and the South couldn't even agree about what to fight over.
You make it sound like like the North and the South were two separate countries.
Still, you make a strong case that the North was not fighting for the moral cause of freeing men. The North,you say, was fighting to preserve empire(land, tax base, economic trading partners). You make that pretty clear.
You impute evil intent to your enemies. I'd be surprised if you didn't.
Why don’t you get yourself a hobby like stamp collecting or maybe a girlfriend.
My main interest these days is helping to extend the life of our Republic. Yes, that includes the Second and Tenth Amendments.
I respond to some of the things you say on this board because I know new members join all the time. I am afraid that someone that does not know you will read something you say and take you seriously.
I don't think my wife would approve of me getting a girlfriend. Thanks for the suggestion anyway.
I was attacking you. :-)
I was NOT attacking you. :-)
It’s all good. ;-)
:-)
“Georgetown University will rename two buildings named for school presidents who organized the sale of Jesuit-owned slaves to help pay off campus debt in the 1830s, the university�€™s president announced.”
No word yet whether the University will move its campus away from the city named Washington D.C.
Southerners started rewriting history shortly after the war to downplay the importance of slavery and to play up the victimization angle. Northerners joined in about a century or so ago in the interest to national unity. That rewriting persisted for a long time. The atmosphere of the Civil War Centennial 50 years back was very different from how people felt during and after the war.
I can understand any country wanting to downplay the real hate, anger, and fear people felt a century earlier, but that meant creating a false picture of the war, also dismissing African-American concerns and defaming abolitionists as hot-heads who in some way caused the war.
Seems like that would please your side more. My ancestors fought for the Union.
You impute way too much.
jmacusa - You may not know this about Georgetown University . . . someone has to tell you. In the History tab of their website it says: “To celebrate the end of the Civil War, Georgetown students selected the colors blue (Union) and gray (Confederate) as the school�€™s official colors in 1876.”
Can you imagine this University having the audacity to honor, what you call, “traitors” by adopting the color gray? And by boasting about it in 2015.
jmacusa, you need to spring to action. You need to grind down some people with your language and your ugly prejudices. You need to publish a statement that “you don't give a rip” about what anyone thinks . . .
Take your own suggestion and act on it. You need to.
Can you imagine this University having the audacity to honor, what you call, "traitors" by adopting the color gray? And by boasting about it in 2015.
Georgetown had about a thousand alumni or students in the Confederate Army and didn't take a black undergraduate student until 1950. Indeed, according to one count 4 times as many students fought for the Confederacy as for the Union. So no surprise there.
What is a surprise is that the head of the University had been born a slave. His African-American ancestry was not known at the time. If it had been, he wouldn't have been offered the post.
“History is rewritten all the time.”
Road apples. That statement is logically identical to a leftard trying to justify some foul misconduct by saying, “Everybody does it.”
Virtuous societies do not rewrite history to be less accurate.
“What you may have learned in school was already rewritten.”
You don’t know what I learned in school, or even when I was in school. However, you lucked into a minor truth; textbooks tended to be written by people like you, and there was a good deal of rewriting. Luckily, my people on my mother’s side have been in Florida since the 1750s. School is far from my only source of information.
“It certainly differed from what people who actually fought the war thought while they were fighting it.”
How do you have the nerve to blather on about “certainly” this or that? You know nothing, except falsehoods you picked up from history rewritten specifically to be less accurate.
“Southerners started rewriting history shortly after the war to downplay the importance of slavery and to play up the victimization angle.”
I wonder if you are aware that you have uttered a falsehood. Oh, well, that’s between you and God.
“Northerners joined in about a century or so ago in the interest to national unity.”
What a load of bollocks. Northerners started rewriting history to make themselves look good at Sumpter.
By the way, the phrase is “in the interests of,” not “in the interest to.”
“The atmosphere of the Civil War Centennial 50 years back was very different from how people felt during and after the war.”
You may be old enough to remember the Centennial, but you don’t have the first foggiest notion “how people felt during and after the war.”
“I can understand any country wanting to downplay the real hate, anger, and fear people felt a century earlier”
Really? Because I can’t. I can’t understand that at all. And that’s why you are a revisionist, and I am not.
“also dismissing African-American concerns and defaming abolitionists as hot-heads who in some way caused the war.”
Are you posting from the faculty lounge at Joseph Stalin University? It is indisputable that many abolitionists were hot-heads and helped precipitate an unnecessary war. If you don’t even know that much, you should really clam up and go find some accurate history.
There definitely were efforts in the South after the Civil War to rewrite history to paint slavery out of the picture and to deny its role as a cause of the war. That's where people get the bizarre idea that the war was fought over tariffs or over a purely abstract idea of state's rights.
If you really don't know that, and actually want to find out, you could look up "lost cause mythology" or read a book by Gary Gallagher or Edward Ayers, both historians with the highest reputations, rather than just rely on what Granny remembers.
The history of Reconstruction was likewise rewritten to portray White Southerners as victims of the evil carpetbaggers and scalawags and African-Americans as savages incapable of governing themselves. Northern progressives joined in the rewriting campaign as a way of striking out at capitalists, corporations, and Republicans. Charles and Mary Beard: Ring a bell?
You can't seriously deny all that. I don't think you do, actually. Read over what you wrote. You're far less civil than I remember you being. It sounds like I really touched a nerve. Or maybe you're just showing the normal wear-and-tear that comes from turning out propaganda day in and day out for months.
I do have to admit that blacks have largely proved themselves incapable of governing - or even controlling - themselves. As for the rest, one has to be the hardest of propagandists to deny the mythology of the Lost Cause.
When you factor in the idiotic references to leftist this and liberal that I think you’ve hit home.
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