Posted on 03/21/2013 4:37:24 PM PDT by Cold Case Posse Supporter
Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) is at the center of the latest "birther" conspiracy. But he's not the first to face this line of questioning.
A handful of politicians have been targeted in the last few years with the same accusation -- that they are not fit for the Presidency because they do not meet the constitutionally-mandated eligibility requirement of being a "natural-born" U.S. citizen.
Confusion around who qualifies as a "natural born" citizen has contributed to the debate, as the Constitution does not explicitly define the phrase. Some incorrectly presume it only includes people born within the boundaries of the United States. In fact, by U.S. citizenship law you can be American "at birth" or a "natural born citizen" under a few circumstances that don't involve being born on the mainland. For example, if you're born on a U.S. military base abroad, like in Panama, that counts. You are still categorized as being American "at birth" if one or both of your parents are U.S. citizens and fit a list of long and complicated requirements that arebroken down here.
Check out our list of politicians who have battled "birther" claims.
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I warned people here that the liberal loons who avoided Obama’s lack of eligibility would have no compunction, the hypocrites, to go after our guys.
All of a “sudden” ABC news is a natural born citizen birther?!
Anyone who supports The Constitution when the libs are attempting to bend or break it’s tenets, is labeled a radical or whack job.
How would McCain’s certificate ever be revoked absent his renunciation of U.S. citizenship? He would be ‘natural born’ as both parents were U.S. citizens serving U.S. interests overseas.
McCain’s citizenship wasn’t OBTAINED through application, it was CONFIRMED through application, as are all children of U.S. military or foreign service who are born overseas.
The comparison to Myers is apples/oranges.
Interestingly Barry Soetoro (Soebakah), Bounell IS the very first “Birther”!!!
As usual they are completely ignoring the fact that the US citizenship laws for Hawaii in 1961 were DIFFERENT than for all the rest of the US at that time. It was overseen by the Supreme Court at that time, and the citizenship acts for the rest of the US - DID NOT APPLY during transition to statehood... I guess that’s too difficult for ABC to grasp though.
Also agree that there is much more that is wrong in their “report”.
McCain's father was on an American base in Panama. The wife was there, too. They were still American citizens when they left the base and went to a hospital for the birth of McCain. He was a natural born citizen as citizenship passed from his parents to him. He was a natural born citizen.
Cruz's mother was an American citizen. She had her son in Canada but he was an American citizen the minute he was born as his mother's citizenship passed from her to him. He was a natural born citizen.
The founders did not want say, an Englishman, a citizen of England, to be able to come here and become a “naturalized citizen” and become president. That is why they wrote that law. They didn't want a Frenchman who was a citizen of France to come here and become a “naturalized” citizen and become president.
McCain and Cruz have always been American citizens - they did not have to become a “naturalized” citizen.
The problem with Obama, is, we don't even know if the mother was a US citizen or if she had renounced that citizenship when she married whomever Muslim she married and went to live in the country where the man lived. If she stayed an American citizen, and Obama was born in Africa, they had a choice of making him a citizen of Africa or America or giving him dual citizenship.
If he had been born here and she was an American mother and and the father African, they had a choice for him to be an American Citizen or African citizen or dual citizenship. I think he was born in Africa and was of African citizenship because they wanted him to be and they weren't keen on American anyway. I think that is how he got grants to come here to school. He was an African foreign student.
My grandson was born in England of an English mother and a US citizen father. He is a natural born American by his father and a natural born Englishman by his mother. He had an American passport by the time he was two or three days old. He also has an English passport. He is a natural born American citizen, not a "naturalized" American citizen.
Piers Morgan is here on a visa I guess. He is no kind of American citizen no matter how much he gestures and postures and raves and rants. England doesn't want him back and I can see why. What a disgusting man.
ABC should be investigating rather than criticizing those who are, shame on them
That is why the court said it didn’t need to rule on MINOR V. HAPPERSETT, Both parents were Americans thus she was a Natural born citizen.... I find it strange how they expect for the constution to define words, It’s not a dictionary!
If he had been issued a Certificate of Naturalization, it would be available to see under a Freedom of Information Act request.
Apparently, the “birther” accusation is replacing the McCarthy accusation of being a communist!
We are becoming so stupid and petty as a society, these are the equivalent of “your mother wears army boots” when I was a kid!
“McCain’s citizenship wasn’t OBTAINED through application, it was CONFIRMED through application, as are all children of U.S. military or foreign service who are born overseas.”
McCain and Cruz would not be U.S. Citizens unless they applied to the U.S. Federal Government to OBTAIN it. Believe it or not, there are children of U.S. Citizens born in foreign countries who are not U.S. Citizens because their parents never applied for their Certificate of U.S. Citizenship.
The natural born citizen is the only citizenship status where the U.S. citizen did not apply to the U.S. Federal government for recognition of their citizenship status. Without a certificate issued by the Federal government, there is nothing to revoke. Consequently, a natural born cannot lose their citizenship for any reason; unless, they move out of the country and voluntarily renounce their U.S. citizenship.
Jindal and Rubio are citizens of the U.S and have never applied to the U.S. government for recognition of their citizenship status. Their citizenship status is considered to have naturally occured because of their place of birth.
McCain and Cruz did not have their U.S. citizenship recognized until they applied for it with proof of eligibility and they were issued a Certificate of Citizenship. Their certificates were eligible for revocation after a Court or administrative hearing. Consequently, they are not natural born citizens despite Resolution 511.
Geez, my eyes!
Can you repost that with some paragraph breaks?
Many argue that even if Obastard has dual citizenship, THAT disqualifies him from being president.
He would have to give up the African one. I don't think he would do that as that is what he considers his home, along with the place in Indonesia where he lived with husband number two and went to school and learned the Islamic religion.
When an American renounces US Citizenship, they are issued a Certificate of Loss of Nationality at a US Consulate office in a foreign country. No one has uncovered that for Stanley Ann Dunham. Once a person renounces, they no longer have a US Passport.
If Obama was born outside of the US, his mother was too young to pass on US natural born citizenship to him. His mother was 18 years and nine months old and she would have needed to be 19 years old (5 years past her 14th birthday), hence the interest in finding proof of a foreign birth for Obama that has thus far not turned up.
Obama was born with dual US and United Kingdom and Colonies citizenship through his father. He lost that United Kingdom and Colonies citizenship when he was two years old and Kenya became an independent nation. Obama then inherited Kenyan citizenship which he maintained until he was 21 years old. However Kenya does not recognize dual citizenship so Obama would have had to elect to become a citizen of Kenya. Kenya’s law gives a person two years past their twenty first birthday to choose Kenyan citizenship, so Obama lost Kenyan citizenship on his 23rd birthday, August 4, 1984.
“Also how can you call Jindal a natural born Citizen?”
Jindal (Rubio) is a natural born citizen because his U.S. citizenship was and still is recognized because of his place of birth. He has never had to apply for U.S. citizenship. He has never had to state an oath of allegience to be recognized as a U.S. citizen.
Application, proof and oath for Certificate of Citizens with U.S. Attorney and SoS
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1452
http://www.uscis.gov/policymanual/HTML/PolicyManual-Volume12-PartK-Chapter5.html
Cancellation of Certificate of Citizenship or Naturalization
A. Administrative Cancellation of Certificates[1] See Part L, Revocation of Naturalization, Chapter 3, Effects of Revocation of Naturalization. A Certificate of Naturalization issued to a person who lawfully filed an Application for Naturalization and proceeded through the naturalization process to the Oath of Allegiance cannot be canceled under INA 342. Officers should consult with local USCIS counsel in such cases.
USCIS is authorized to cancel any Certificate of Citizenship or Certificate of Naturalization in cases where USCIS considers that the certificate was:
•Illegally or fraudulently obtained; or
•Created through illegality or by fraud.[2] See INA 342. Under the same conditions, USCIS may also cancel any copy of a declaration of intention, or other certificate, document or record issued by USCIS or legacy INS.
USCIS issues the person a written notice of the intention to cancel the certificate.
Cruz’s parents and McCain’s parents had to apply for and show proof of eligibility to have their foreign born children recognized as U.S. citizens. Furthermore, their parents had to “take and subscribe” an oath of allegience to the U.S. on behalf of their children. Their certificates were subject to revocation after adjudication in a Federal court.
Jindal’s and Rubio’s citizenship status is not subject to revocation; unless, they move out of the country and voluntarily renounce. Consequently, Jindal and Rubio are natural born citizens.
Amazing isn't it satan69? Free Republic has an unhealthy collection of agitprop specialists busy keeping our low-information audience confused as well.
Obama isn't natural born because he told us so. “I am a native-born citizen of the US”. The 14th Amendment made native born residents into citizens, with the exception of American Indians, “untaxed”. Obama told us he was born a British Subject. He told us he was naturalized by the 14th Amendment. Citizens are either naturalized or natural.
McCain had problems because he was not born on sovereign US soil. Don Nickles, former Oaklahoma Senator, tried to help has friend McCain with a Constitutional amendment in 2004, to make the overseas-born children of citizens natural born citizens. It failed to pass, just as did the other seven attempts at amending Article II Section 1 filed between 2002 and 2008. The two filed by Conyers and one by Robert Menendez would have made Obama eligible. None passed.
Obama and his campaign chair, Clair McCaskill, sponsored S. 2678, February 2008, the ‘‘Children of Military Families Natural Born Citizen Act’’, to imply that McCain was eligible, since McCain provided cover of Obama. It failed to pass. So McCaskill and Leahy, realizing they hadn't a prayer of passing anything other than a feelgood resolution, sponsored Senate Resolution 511, entirely focused on how no one doubted McCain's allegiance, and since he was born to citizen parents, in spite of any irregularities with where he was born, our framers would have wanted McCain to be considered a natural born citizen.“My assumption and my understanding is that if you are born of American parents, you are naturally a natural-born American citizen,” Chertoff replied. “That is mine, too,” said Leahy.” Of course Senator Obama wasn't born to citizen parents, but we are not only a low-information society, but are properly assumed to have short memories, and Obama had not yet secured the party's nomination.
As to who is a natural born citizen it is remarkable to see discussions where legal sources are avoided, so here is the only, and never amended, interpretation for the term natural born citizen, never doubted common-law before 1875 and positive law after Chief Justice Waite's brilliant decision in Minor v. Happersett:
“The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens,as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.”
Before the 14th Amendment the only citizen defined by the Constitution was a natural born citizen. Least someone suggest that the 14th Amendment also changed the definition for who were natural born citizens, here is the crystalline statement by its author, Congressman-judge John Bingham to the House of Representatives as he explains his naturalization amendment to the House of Representatives in 1866:
I find no fault with the introductory clause [S 61 Bill], which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen….
Not natural born citizens: Obama, Chester Arthur, McCain, Ted Cruz, Rubio, Jindal, Wong Kim Ark, Arnold Scharzenegger, Madeline Albright, Henry Kissinger, Zbigniev Brezinski... Natural born citizens: Rand Paul, Sarah Palin, Suzanne Martinez, Ben Carson, ....
Thanks Cold Case Posse Supporter.
Meme-building, Daily Kos was also having one of its racist fairy conniptions about Sen Cruz.
Partisan Media Shills ping.
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