Ryan is a good man, but does not redeem the abortionist/homosexualist statist Romney

Aug 11, 2012 | Jim Robinson

[Jim Robinson]

Except for his unfortunate go along to get along support of TARP, bailouts, stimulus spending and the increased credit limit, etc, Ryan is a pretty good choice. Probably the best choice of the RINOS that were on Romney's short list. I support Ryan for the vice presidency. Wish he were at the top of the ticket, though.

But I still cannot and will not support the grand father of ObamaCare. Romney still loves and brags about his bastard brainchild, RomneyCare, even today when he knows what an anti-liberty socialist POS it is.

And the fact that he advocated that abortion should be safe and legal in America for over three decades of his adult lifetime and even advocated that Roe v Wade should be supported and sustained as settled law precludes any consideration whatsoever by this pro-life Christian for Myth Romney for the presidency.

And the fact that he boasted that he would be better for "gay rights" than Ted Kennedy, and proved it just increases my resistance.

That, and his penchant for gun control, his continuing support for global warming, gays in the scouts, gays in the military, and his record of appointing liberal judges makes it all but impossible for me to support him.

Lastly, we're having a bit of changeover on our moderator staff. At least two moderators resigned this afternoon after I flatly refused to rein in a so-called anti-Mormon "bigot" on FR. Well, if being in opposition to false prophets and false prophecy makes a Christian believer a bigot, then I guess I'm a bigot. I've posted before that I flat do not believe that the Book of Mormon is the true word of God. Nor do I believe that Joseph Smith was a prophet of God. The Christian bible warns us to be weary of false prophets and that I am. Romney being the presumptive Republican nominee does not change that fact.

[ansel12]

Mormons are tiny in numbers, and you think that they would become sudden liberals and start voting homosexual, and pro-abortion, and for fiscal insanity, and for the very anti-Mormon democrats?

What does that say about them, or at least what you think of them?

[devolve]

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Why don’t you vote for my hunting hound Tex?

Tex is dead now - but he will still get more votes in November than any Obamatool you worship and will vote for.

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[DouglasKC]

Here's the thing: Picking Ryan was predictable. Romney is so flawed that he had to pick someone that conservatives would love to even hope to compete. It was the same with McCain and Palin.

But here's the other thing: Romney doesn't mean it. Even if, and it's a big if, even IF he doesn't throw Ryan under the bus at some point and happens to win the election does anyone REALLY think his presidency is going to conservative at all??Really??

Nope, it's going to Obama lite. March a little slower to the cliff. It's Lucy holding the football and saying...go ahead conservatives, vote for the GOP one more time...this time for SURE we'll govern as conservatives would like us too.

Fool me once shame on you. Fool me a million times I must be a total moron.

[SarahPalinForPresident2012]

I am confused. Gov Palin has said, “Anyone But Obama”!

[FR_addict]

I agree that Mormonism is a false non-Christian religion, but the Muslim religion is worse. Muslims are actively killing Christians in Arab and African countries, which the mainstream media chooses to ignore. And our current president is either a huge sympathizer or a Muslim. He supports the Muslim brotherhood and other known Muslim terrorist organizations.

Anyone who would call the Muslim call to prayer the most beautiful sound in the world is warped by this religion. I can think of a lot more beautiful sounds in the world.

Jim, were stuck with Romney for now, but I'm glad to have your board so that we can keep telling the truth, especially after Romney is elected. I'd like to see a primary challenge to Romney in four years. Someone conservatives could get behind wholeheartedly.

[sf4dubya]

You really fail at reading comprehension.

Where did I say to remove social conservative platform issues? Quote me please.

Again, because you missed it the first four times, fiscal conservatism is the foundation that binds conservativism together so that social conservatism can progress. Without fiscal conservatism, then conservatism as a whole cannot progress.

You are not a fiscal conservative. If you were, you’d be walking on broken glass to vote out that Marxist ruling by executive order instead of turning this site into an anti-Mormon one.

You attempt to coopt the tea party into some quasi social conservative movement, but that is NOT the driver for marching hand in hand with people from many different backgrounds and faiths on Washington that fine day a few years ago.

I am an unapologetic capitalist with very little tolerance for people who think just because someone worships differently than you but agrees with everything else conservative, the don’t belong in the conservative movement.

Have I made myself perfectly clear? Maybe you need a Milton Friedman quote to understand a little better:

“Political freedom means the absence of coercion of a man by his fellow men. The fundamental threat to freedom is power to coerce, be it in the hands of a monarch, a dictator, an oligarchy, or a momentary majority. The preservation of freedom requires the elimination of such concentration of power to the fullest possible extent and the dispersal and distribution of whatever power cannot be eliminated — a system of checks and balances.”

“Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself.”

[txradioguy]

And again I’ll ask...what are your sources for this.

Links please.

[sf4dubya]

Okay let’s play a game.

In my state, there are two major candidates for US Senator.

Candidate A has an ACU lifetime rating of 89ish. Candidate B can barely pull a 10 lifetime rating.

One candidate is a Mormon. The other is Jewish.

I am Jewish.

1. Which candidate should a Jewish conservative vote for? A or B?

2. Which candidate is the Mormon? A or B?

3. You’re me. Which candidate do I vote for: the one who is a proven conservative, or one that aligns with my faith?

[txradioguy]

YOu remind me of the Uber “Christians” of the 60’s that were convinced that if John F. Kennedy were to become President...he’d take his marching orders straight from the Pope in Rome.

Their arguement 50 years ago is as silly and obtuse as yours is now.

[Mean Maryjean]

Not sure just why, but your post took me back to a brief scene in the movie, "Last of the Mohicans."

The British Officer Duncan Heyward:
"And who empowered these provincials to pass judgment upon England's policies in her own colonies? To come and go without so much as a "by your leave!"

The lovely and fiercely independent Miss Cora Munro: "They do not live their lives 'by your leave.' ... They hack it out of the wilderness with their own two hands, burying their dead and their children along the way!"

[Kevmo]

I am a Texan stuck in Cali, and I am seriously considering doing what yoh suggested. That said, I’m not sure that I can pull the lever for Mittens, let alone some truly anti-God Gia whoreshipper...
***Then pull the lever for a conservative freeper, Tom Hoefling aka Eternal Vigilance.

[DouglasKC]

Have to ask the same question that pertains to all the Anybody But Romney folks. What do you envision happening if you are successful in taking Romney down? What will another 4 years of Obama and his Executive Orders do to America and Freedom? Do you see some upside that many of us cannot? Or, are you merely conceding that the Nation is screwed beyond repair and deciding that another 4 of Obama makes no difference - to quote Joplin, "Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose..."have you decided we're there?

Flip the question...what do you see happening if Romney is elected? Do you really think the GOP is going to undo Obamacare?? They've already tipped their hat and said it's "too hard". They've already given up. NOBODY in Washington is going to get rid of Obamacare. It's money for them. They don't care about anything but getting as much as they can while they can. They KNOW the country is in it's death throes. They're milking the cash out of every sucker they can while they can.

It's over for our present system of government. It was over the moment our government took it's eyes off God as the source of our power, wealth and blessings.

It's either going to be Obama, who is either a godless communist or a god hating muslim...or Romney..who worships a god invented by a man. Which will God bless?

[ansel12]

fiscal conservatism is the foundation that binds conservativism together so that social conservatism can progress.

Amazing, social conservatism is what creates and enables fiscal conservatism when everyone in the nation has a vote.

If that were not true, then it would be the democrat party with the conservative economics.

The vote, get it? If I am lazy, immoral, don't give a heck, then I will vote against your conservative economic policies, how do you think the left buys votes? with tax money.

Do not be a little conservative, be a full conservative, all three legs.

[Kevmo]

There are only Republicans, and you sir, are no Republican.
***Free Republic is not a republican website. It is a conservative website.

[txradioguy]

“Umm, read the post again.”

I’ve read your long winded babble several times.

Doesn’t change what I said. Or that you’re a stark raving mad idiot who gives the Dems the ability to smear all Conservatives as “Crazy bible pounding fundies”.

[Happy Rain]

I voted for Palin and I'm voting for Ryan and that's all I did and will do.

[ansel12]

JFK got a higher percentage of Protestant votes than democrats had gotten in a few elections, so I don’t know what you can make of that.

[GlockThe Vote]

Please explain to god your actions to give obama a second term. You people are insane.

[sf4dubya]

Did you even read the context of how and why that was posted? Obviously not.

[txradioguy]

What I make of that is that there were idiots like you running around screaming the end is near becauase a Catholic *gasp* was going to get elected and take directives from the Pope.

It was just a stupid argument about JFK as the one you’re screaming about here re: Romney.

[Kevmo]

He will have to earn his stripes with me if he expects my support in 2016.
***Interesting forces shaping up for 2016. I wonder if Palin will win vs. Ryan. The media absolutely HATE Palin, and simply dislike Ryan. But Ryan has a better chance of being on a winning ticket because, well, he still has a chance.

[ansel12]

You are drunk.

All you are posting are drunken, rambling, personal attacks, take a breather.

[sf4dubya]

Now you are talking sheer nonsense.

Name one true social conservative Republican that got elected President in the past 50 years on a purely social conservative platform without fiscal conservatism.

[ansel12]

Lol, so they voted for him in higher numbers than usual?

That hardly adds up does it?

JFK did BETTER with Protestants than democrats had seen in a while, not worse.

[huldah1776]

God Bless you Jim Robinson.

[ansel12]

You just keep missing the point, you keep mentioning individual politicians in primaries, or the question you just asked about which president.

I am talking about the nation, the populace, the voters.

The VOTERS must be social conservatives, for conservatism to work, if they are not good, moral, naturally conservative people, then they will merely vote to take what they want, they will be bought with welfare, and free stuff, and free medical, whatever, without a moral compass, they will use that vote as the keys to the vault, and social liberal politicians will feed on that.

The conservatism of the voters comes before they decide which economic policies that they will vote in.

[txradioguy]

That’s the best you’ve got?

You’ve got nothing to back up the stupid patently false accusations against Romney and then have the audacity to call me drunk?

You’ve made a LOT of wild claims...back them up. LINK TO SOMETHING....otherwise you sound like some idiot disruptor from DU.

Personal attacks? This coming from the same person who’s done nothing but make ad hominem attacks against people who disagree with your wild ramblings?

Given the time of night it is back in the states...perhaps it’s you that needs to go to bed and take a nap and sober up.

[sf4dubya]

Socially conservative voters like the ones in the Prop 8 campaign?

You know, like I don’t know... Hmm let me think.... Mormons? That who you talking about?

[GailA]

You are so on point. Have you noticed the mythbots have taken to personally attacking those of us who disagree, saying we are un Christian and hate filled? They have become unhinged.

Rather than going by his record?

I will not tamely sit and lick the hand that enslaves me with more taxes, take away my rightful Constitutional Rights, or wear the chains of slavery lightly to preserve a pseudo peace.

What are your thoughts on Allen West? I liked his no nonsense guts during the war.

[Drew68]

Jim, are you trying to get Obama reelected?

[txradioguy]

“Lol, so they voted for him in higher numbers than usual?

That hardly adds up does it?

JFK did BETTER with Protestants than democrats had seen in a while, not worse.”

Never said he did worse. Now you’re just being obtuse on purpose.

My point...that you’ve repeatedly missed...is that there were specious claims made about JFK via his religious beliefs...just like the same false allegations being made about Romney today by the likes of you and other short sighted bigots here.

All you’re doing is creating a straw man to avoid dealing with the reality of what I posted.

[Graybeard58]

I did meet two Mormons who came to my door about 15 years ago.

I may be the only person here never visited by Mormon "Missionaries", I feel so,so left out. Plenty of J.W.s in my time but no Mormons. I'd treat them politely just as I do the J.W.s but have no interest in listening to their spiel.

[bcsco]

Before Mittens got the nomination, I did not see any conservative on here promoting any of that!

Outside of trolls, who do you see here supporting those ideas? I've seen any number of FReepers prefer Romney during the primaries, but that doesn't mean they support those ideologies. It may simply mean they felt he had the best chance against Obama.

I've never subscribed to that. I was in Cain's camp, then Newt after Cain dropped out. I'd have preferred Palin over all others but that was never an option. Now, I'm going with the one who's won the primaries. Why? Because, above all, we have to defeat Obama. Period.

[Kevmo]

I’m glad you’re mother is a reading specialist. I’ve a master’s in education, with a bachelor’s in English.
***Maybe you should take some refresher courses in English grammar. Udderwize, you’re mudder may be displeezed.

[GlockThe Vote]

And justwhat do you want govt to do about “social issues” ?

[sf4dubya]

You are not the only one.

Mormons respectfully do not ring my bell because there is a mezuzah on my door. One time a few nice Mormon girls did ring it because they didn’t see it, and I pointed it out to them and explained what it was and what it meant. All very courteous, and never got another visit.

The Jehovah’s Witnesses, on the other hand, relentlessly pound on my door and drive my dog absolutely bonkers.

[libdestroyer]

“Hoefling is a hypocrite on spending. He says he wants to cut it, but then doesn’t want to touch the massive waste called the War in Afghanistan. If you’re not serious about across the board spending cuts, then you’re not serious - period. Hoefling isn’t serious.”

A valid point, but I’ll take that over Goode and Paul’s “leave Israel to defend themselves” policy. I agree that we need to get out Crapistan though.

[GailA]

Good for you Jim. It is your forum, your right, your love of country, conservatisim and your steadfast Christian beliefs that attract so many of us to FR.

I know I am tired of being attacked by mythbots for being un Christian and hate filled, simply because I exercise MY (KJV) Christian beliefs, moral, standards and the Constitutions in the criteria of who I vote for.

Voting for RINOS is no better than voting for a democrat.

Myth is NOT the savior of the USA from the Marxist that sits in the WH. And people forget the real power lies not in the President who is a party cheer leader, but in the CONGRESS who writes and passes laws. And in the power of the voting booth!

I choose FREEDOM, not a slow decline into slavery.

I've been on FR for over a decade and you have not changed the rules. You state quite plainly NO profanity, NO personal attacks, NO racism or violence in posts.

Maybe it should go up on the opening page as well.

[Kevmo]

I have no reason to hike over to Mitt’s home page and look at what issues he currently wants to lie to us about. I’ve seen enough here on FR, in particular the RomneyTruthFile which is in the first paragraph of the front page of FR.

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/romneytruthfile/

The man will say anything to become president.

[HiTech RedNeck]

I don’t need to convince you that truth is true for truth to be true.

[Old Student]

Jim, I agree with you about Romney, and have since he started running. However, I'm a believer in Jesus Christ, and a member of the same church as Romney. The only personage who benefits from argument like yours is our adversary, Satan, and his puppets.

Old Student

William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)

[DAC21]

“Ryan's budget went nowhere. The President sets the spending in this country. Obama and Bush are the most recent proof of that. In a Romney-Ryan Administration, Romney will set the budget goal, Ryan will generate the President's budget and submit it to the House for Rubber Stamping. Trust me. That's the way it will be. Ryan is our best hope for that budget being something we can live with”

God willing enough Tea Party candidates get elected / hold their seats to keep Romneys feet to the fire.

[HiTech RedNeck]

If push came to shove, and maybe some Jack Daniels truth serum, many neverMitts would probably admit that FR does not have huge influence among larger unwashed America, and that by all traditional political indicators (if the incumbent Obama hoped to win he would need a large lead now, before undecideds break as they normally do, which is heavily towards the challenger) the Other Guy is going to clean Barack’s clock in November. So it’s safe enough to protest in the little echo chamber. The chihuahua nipping at Mitt’s heels might send a message to the GOP to try something better next time.

[reasonisfaith]

It’s Romney the man—who can potentially be dragged away from leftist ideology—vs the principles of that ideology which will never go away.

The question I’m struggling with is: Does Romney have the heart of a true liberal or is he simply a wishy washy spoiled little rich boy who will be swayed by the crowd (and by his VP).

I think there’s a big difference.

[New Jersey Realist]

The Mormon religion is little more than an organized cult

That is certainly true however what does his religion have to do with anything? We criticize liberals for their condemnation of the CEO of Chic-fil-A. Are you not doing the same thing? America stands for freedom of religion. As a conservative I find it abhorant to criticize ANY man because of his religion.

[Kevmo]

Did you even read the context of how and why that was posted?
***Yes I did. And, BTW, I agree that you appear to be pining for a FRee Republic that never existed. SOCON issues take precedence.

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I’m a big tent republican.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1821435/posts?page=18455
Here’s an analogy to work with. Take a small box and fill it with some rocks. Then add some rice, filling it to the top. Now take all the same stuff, but in a different order. Put in the rice first, then add the rocks. What you’ll find is that if you put in the big stuff first, the small stuff will fit around it. But if you put in the small stuff first, the big stuff won’t have room. The republican tent is the box. The Big issues are the socon issues, to be put in first. The little issues are things that can be accommodated around the bigger stuff. A candidate who tries to focus on the smaller issues first and leave out the bigger issues has no way of getting all of us into the tent. He splits the party. The candidate who gets the big stuff right and as much of the little stuff that will fit, he can fit more into the tent. We’re often amazed at how much rice can keep fitting in. Folks such as Rudy or Romney flunk some of the big issues, and on some of the little issues it looks to me like anyone else’s rice would do just as well. All that remains for us to agree on is which are the bedrock principles and which are not. Why would there be so much invective aimed at rudy or romney from the right? Because there are some bedrock principles that he is leaving out. Bad move. I see rudybot and romneybot postings all the time saying that they would vote for Hunter or Palin, and I see socon postings that say they would not vote for rudy or romney. That’s a BIG indicator of a few bedrock principles that are being left outside the tent in order to let in some rice.

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[reasonisfaith]

And another thing comes to mind. Romney doesn’t enfuriate me as much as the usurper does.

At this point my vote is personal, not political.

[HiTech RedNeck]

Surely even Mormons must agree that not every Mormon is necessarily a wonderful presidential candidate. I am not familiar with the machinations of the Mormon community. I’ve only seen the evangelical and Catholic churches and what they typically do. But why hasn’t anyone in Salt Lake City stepped up to bell this rogue cat Mitt (aren’t there even higher muckety mucks than bishops?) puzzles me, even if Mormons were only a secular organization that championed generic principles of morality. Mitt is NOT a flattering advertisement for the LDS.

[Kevmo]

I may be the only person here never visited by Mormon “Missionaries”,
***It’s easy. Just call up Mormons-R-US and ask for a book of Mormon.

[novemberslady]

I will vote for Romney/Ryan.

I'll ask God to help Romney make the right choices for our country. To hold his heart and steer him toward greatness.

Romney could be a great man with God's help.
I believe that.