Posted on 08/01/2012 11:18:33 AM PDT by Seizethecarp
"Meet The Parents....of alias Barack Obama. Black Sunni Muslim father and White Lebanese Christian mother. Born in the ME, raised in Indonesia, became BHO II in 1982." Dr. Ron J. Polland
The “Mal-Val” youtube video at the link was posted by FReeper Polarik (Dr. Ron Polland) in August of 2011 and while morphing the image of a woman named “Val” into an image of Obama, he insinuates that “Val” is Obama’s mom. One year later this youtube has only 1,150 views.
In July 2012, two FReepers associated the woman, “Val,” in Polarik’s Youtube with Lebanese actress Valerie Sarruf and have posted multiple images of her at various ages on FR eligibility threads. I am opening this thread to invite discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf is Barack Obama’s mother, with or without Malcolm X being his father.
Where could Malcolm X and Valerie Sarruf have been in 1960 when baby Barry would have been conceived? Is there any evidence that Sarruf could have been pregnant and delivered a baby in 1961? In what country could the baby have been delivered? How and when could the alleged Mal-Val baby have been inserted into the identity and life narrative of the person we have come to know as Barack Hussein Obama?
Full disclosure: I refute categorically all of the Mal-Val narrative as wildly speculative and unsupported by any evidence that I have seen so far.
For several years now a shadowy coterie of FReepers styling themselves as “researchers” has gone onto nearly every FR eligibility thread to aggressively refute all evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham was Barack Obama’s mother. They have actually declared flat out that she was never in Hawaii before 1963, contrary to the voluminous evidence including INS FOIA documents!
Requests for links or any evidence that Stanley Ann is NOT the mom have been frequently met with abusive ad hominem attacks and accompanied by claims that ALL documentary evidence showing her to have been in Hawaii in 1960 and 1961 is forged, but no credible evidence of forgery has offered. I make this observation as a retired Certified Fraud Examiner and CPA.
For years the “researchers” had claimed mysteriously to have conclusive evidence that a different woman is Barry’s mom, but refused to reveal her name or any evidence other than her picture because the “researchers” claimed it would disappear from the net and/or from hard copy archives of the records. But this month, the “researchers” appear to have slipped up and revealed that Valerie Sarruf has been the woman whose identity they have been “protecting.” They have since attempted to walk back the revelation, but it is clear, IMO.
The “researchers” claim that they earnestly want to remove Obama from office. But wouldn’t revealing ALL EVIDENCE of a foreign mother and foreign birth (which they also claim) be the most logical approach to removing Obama rather than hiding the identity of this alternative mother for years while attacking FR threads that sincerely attempt to find out where Stanley Ann Dunham was when she gave birth to Barry?
In my opinion, the best evidence that Valerie Sarruf is NOT Barry’s mother is the mountain of evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham IS his mother, which the “researchers” have totally failed to refute.
Again, please use this thread for discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf IS Barack Obama’s mother with or without Malcolm X being his father.
#1814 by seizethecarp has link to huffpost story where “babysat president’s half brothers and auma” mentioned
#1802 has the tilted head toddler pic from Mark’s website.
Obama aunt who stayed in US illegally dies at 61 Fri Apr 11 2014 13:42:03 GMT-0500 (CDT) · 98 of 98 WildHighlander57 to Fantasywriter Thanks for the analysis; also Marks other book mentioned his brother David. So does his website. The grade school age picture shows that David existed at the SAME TIME as 0. Can’t get around that. Also in 1963,0 was with SADO in Hawaii,so he can’t be with Ruth in Kenya. And in 1963 Mark wasn’t born yet,because bho SR hadn’t met Ruth. Post Reply | Private Reply | To 89 | View Replies
Obama aunt who stayed in US illegally dies at 61 Fri Apr 11 2014 13:33:13 GMT-0500 (CDT) · 97 of 98 WildHighlander57 to WildHighlander57; Seizethecarp; LucyT Ping to #96. Post Reply | Private Reply | To 96 | View Replies
Obama aunt who stayed in US illegally dies at 61 Fri Apr 11 2014 13:31:36 GMT-0500 (CDT) · 96 of 98 WildHighlander57 to Fantasywriter “..... Mark also affirms that David was his younger brother,now deceased. Is the idea here that he’s just humoring his lunatic mother? [The photo he posted of David at a somewhat older age (than the original photo) is quite remarkable...if it’s a photo of a non-existent person. Or put another way,for a myth,David looked amazingly substantial in his photo.]....”
And the later picture of Mark and David would have been taken when 0 was in Hawaii,in,or just about to enter,high school.
Boys are either 6 and 8,or 8 and 10 puts it at about 1973 to 1975. Choom gang pic has “class of 1975” on it. Post Reply | Private Reply | To 89 | View Replies
Forget the names, the children have deliberately been misnamed to confuse. The two boys above are the same, one image is tinted, the other black and white, the b&w was substituted for the tinted image on the same webpage, but both were ultimately removed. Their age difference would appear to be within the range of one year, tops, probably less.
The above image of the family group is a photograph originally copyrighted by Mark Ndesandjo, the photograph shows the kenyan and Ruth, the older, darker child appears to reach to Ruth's waist, and must be in the range of six year of age or there-abouts.
Ruth is shown with her son, call him what you like, call him 'David' and call the standing boy 'Mark' that doesn't change the fact that now there is an age difference of several years between the two children.
And now that we have the very first image of what we assume is Mark as a child, we can see that the dark boy in the family group WAS SOMEONE ELSE, born in the same year as zero, living somewhere in the US when their photographs were taken together.
It really is a lot easier to follow if you don't accept the way the names have been used and changed and the way the children have been deliberately misidentified.
A ROSE IS A ROSE BY WHAT EVER NAME. The children don't change just because they call them Mark and David in one shot, and David and Mark in another.
There were always THREE BOYS - ZERO and the dark boy and the child Ruth had with the kenyan in 1965 up until she divorced him.
It seems the 'David' in the latest image of two boys is actually zero once again, compare to the photo of him taken in Hawaii...it's a REAL FAKE.
The uncropped image
Brown deer’s question:
“So, who is that darker boy with the tilted head?”
Answer per marks old website:
Mark.
The dark boy is simply the eldest, he was born early in 1961, he’s less than a year older than zero, and his brother was born in Kenya in 1965.
You can call him what you like.
See:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/2913366/posts?page=1826#1826
FN corrects BD who hasn’t been paying as close attention to FN as I have!
In Comment 1824 BD implies that the younger boy, David in the studio pictures, is Mark, but FN has always claimed that David is Barry in the studio pics.
So in comment 1826, FN chimes in with a wall of pictures to straighten BD out and reassert that in the studio pictures, David is Barry, not Mark, and Mark is insinuated by FN to be Roman. FN erroneously claims that the studio boys only appear to be one year apart in age, obviously to comply with the Mal-Val narrative.
Once again, who are the Mal-Val Cult followers going to believe? Will it be their cult guru or their lyin’ eyes?
Note that FN asserts that in the FAMILY picture (everyone standing) FN claims that David is now MARK (not Barry as in the studio picture) and the “dark boy” is insinuated to be Roman. These same boys that FN says are one year apart in the studio picture, are three or more years apart in the standing family picture.
Note that Ruth is notably older when holding baby David in the standing family photo with the shorter hair of a working mom on the go, than she is when holding baby Mark five years earlier in their studio picture.
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That's a joke. If you had been paying attention you wouldn't be still going on about your stupid Val-Mal Cult Narrative as you are. Your vested interest is showing.
Can't count to three? Never mind, it will all become clear one day and I can wait. Have a nice day!
‘you wouldn’t be still going on about your stupid Val-Mal Cult Narrative’
Are you saying you no longer believe the Mal-Val theory? I.e.: you no longer believe Malcolm X and Valerie Sarruf are Obama’s parents?
You care about what I believe? Don’t make me laugh. You are slavishly following a cult leader who got the title of this post from a video made by DR RJP.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4A3bYdwSsr8&list=UUp5Mqb8hSKGI1hbk5ayzXXA&index=18&feature=plcp
Mal and Val - not Ann and the Old Man .
Uploaded on Aug 7, 2011
Meet The Parents....of alias Barack Obama. Black Sunni Muslim father and White Lebanese Christian mother. Born in the ME, raised in Indonesia, became BHO II in 1982.
Maybe you should be asking what your Dear Leader believes.
“stupid Val-Mal Cult Narrative’
We certainly agree that it’s stupid. The big news would be if you’ve abandoned it. Sounds as if you have. Congratulations. Rationality & the facts win out after all.
Your Dear Leader is so creative and smart, he had to plagiarize the title for a vanity thread, and then stitched together a load of BS that doesn’t make sense.
Between that and the deliberate misindentifcation of the children, all I am trying to do is set the record straight.
Take it or leave it. It’s still permissable to present a POV I hope. You don’t have to like it.
The end of the Three Little Boys Story is the Beginning.
I’m sorry, Fred. I couldn’t make heads or tails of your post. Not trying to be obtuse. It just doesn’t quite make sense.
Of course that is no basis for any claim that I have failed to attribute the Mal-Val narrative to Ron Polland.
Take a look at the link at the top of every page on this thread and my descriptor on the link field:
Re:”Mal and Val - not Ann and the Old Man” Any evidence Valerie Sarruf is Obama’s mom? (vanity)
Seizethecarp vanity commentary on Dr. Ron J. Polland youtube dated 08/07/11
| August 1, 2012 | Seizethecarp (vanity)
I have given explicit attribution to Polland for his video, which is linked to at the top of the thread, in case any ad hominem attacker has failed to notice.
I referenced the title of Polland’s blog post as follows:
Re:”Mal and Val - not Ann and the Old Man”
I announced in the title that the thread was intended to discuss Polland’s blog video asked FReepers to discuss whether there was any evidence to support it.
Thanks for that explanation. So in order to avoid the charge of plagiarism, you’re supposed to mention Polland every time you allude to Mal-Val? That is a new one on me. I thought Mal-Val came from Dr. Polarik? I read somewhere that Polarik created the first digital blending of Obama’s and Malcolm X’s faces. Of course, Polarik may not have mentioned Sarruf in his theorizing. I don’t know one way or the other.
Anyway, thanks again. Any & all info is welcome and helpful.
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