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Re:"Mal and Val - not Ann and the Old Man" Any evidence Valerie Sarruf is Obama's mom? (vanity)
Seizethecarp vanity commentary on Dr. Ron J. Polland youtube dated 08/07/11 ^ | August 1, 2012 | Seizethecarp (vanity)

Posted on 08/01/2012 11:18:33 AM PDT by Seizethecarp

"Meet The Parents....of alias Barack Obama. Black Sunni Muslim father and White Lebanese Christian mother. Born in the ME, raised in Indonesia, became BHO II in 1982." Dr. Ron J. Polland

The “Mal-Val” youtube video at the link was posted by FReeper Polarik (Dr. Ron Polland) in August of 2011 and while morphing the image of a woman named “Val” into an image of Obama, he insinuates that “Val” is Obama’s mom. One year later this youtube has only 1,150 views.

In July 2012, two FReepers associated the woman, “Val,” in Polarik’s Youtube with Lebanese actress Valerie Sarruf and have posted multiple images of her at various ages on FR eligibility threads. I am opening this thread to invite discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf is Barack Obama’s mother, with or without Malcolm X being his father.

Where could Malcolm X and Valerie Sarruf have been in 1960 when baby Barry would have been conceived? Is there any evidence that Sarruf could have been pregnant and delivered a baby in 1961? In what country could the baby have been delivered? How and when could the alleged Mal-Val baby have been inserted into the identity and life narrative of the person we have come to know as Barack Hussein Obama?

Full disclosure: I refute categorically all of the Mal-Val narrative as wildly speculative and unsupported by any evidence that I have seen so far.

For several years now a shadowy coterie of FReepers styling themselves as “researchers” has gone onto nearly every FR eligibility thread to aggressively refute all evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham was Barack Obama’s mother. They have actually declared flat out that she was never in Hawaii before 1963, contrary to the voluminous evidence including INS FOIA documents!

Requests for links or any evidence that Stanley Ann is NOT the mom have been frequently met with abusive ad hominem attacks and accompanied by claims that ALL documentary evidence showing her to have been in Hawaii in 1960 and 1961 is forged, but no credible evidence of forgery has offered. I make this observation as a retired Certified Fraud Examiner and CPA.

For years the “researchers” had claimed mysteriously to have conclusive evidence that a different woman is Barry’s mom, but refused to reveal her name or any evidence other than her picture because the “researchers” claimed it would disappear from the net and/or from hard copy archives of the records. But this month, the “researchers” appear to have slipped up and revealed that Valerie Sarruf has been the woman whose identity they have been “protecting.” They have since attempted to walk back the revelation, but it is clear, IMO.

The “researchers” claim that they earnestly want to remove Obama from office. But wouldn’t revealing ALL EVIDENCE of a foreign mother and foreign birth (which they also claim) be the most logical approach to removing Obama rather than hiding the identity of this alternative mother for years while attacking FR threads that sincerely attempt to find out where Stanley Ann Dunham was when she gave birth to Barry?

In my opinion, the best evidence that Valerie Sarruf is NOT Barry’s mother is the mountain of evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham IS his mother, which the “researchers” have totally failed to refute.

Again, please use this thread for discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf IS Barack Obama’s mother with or without Malcolm X being his father.


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To: Spunky
They are called PUBLIC RECORDS and I have called County Court houses to enquire if so and so was married and they would give me the answer over the phone.
In which State was that and what are the laws in that State regarding public records?
1,001 posted on 08/16/2012 6:02:48 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Spunky
“To let you know those postings were not hic-ups. You now have 1000 postings on what you have called YOUR thread. Do you think you can put it to bed now?”

Your claim that marriage vital records for BHO and SADO are PUBLIC records is FALSE. They are vital records protected by privacy from all but a narrow list of persons with “a direct and tangible interest” in the record in HI for 75 years.

What may be true in your own state is not necessarily true in HI, FReepers and other patriots found when they actually took the trouble to personally try to obtain vital records in HI. IIRC, this isn't the first time you have tried to generalize from your personal experience in your state to the state of HI.

So you have spammed the thread with nonsense, yet another form of trolling by Mal-Val supporters.

See:

http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/vol06_ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0018.htm

§338-18 Disclosure of records. (a) To protect the integrity of vital statistics records, to ensure their proper use, and to ensure the efficient and proper administration of the vital statistics system, it shall be unlawful for any person to permit inspection of, or to disclose information contained in vital statistics records, or to copy or issue a copy of all or part of any such record, except as authorized by this part or by rules adopted by the department of health.

(b) The department shall not permit inspection of public health statistics records, or issue a certified copy of any such record or part thereof, unless it is satisfied that the applicant has a direct and tangible interest in the record. The following persons shall be considered to have a direct and tangible interest in a public health statistics record:

(1) The registrant;

(2) The spouse of the registrant;

(3) A parent of the registrant;

(4) A descendant of the registrant;

(5) A person having a common ancestor with the registrant;

(6) A legal guardian of the registrant;

(7) A person or agency acting on behalf of the registrant;

(8) A personal representative of the registrant's estate;

(9) A person whose right to inspect or obtain a certified copy of the record is established by an order of a court of competent jurisdiction;

(10) Adoptive parents who have filed a petition for adoption and who need to determine the death of one or more of the prospective adopted child's natural or legal parents;

(11) A person who needs to determine the marital status of a former spouse in order to determine the payment of alimony;

(12) A person who needs to determine the death of a nonrelated co-owner of property purchased under a joint tenancy agreement; and

(13) A person who needs a death certificate for the determination of payments under a credit insurance policy.

(c) The department may permit the use [of] the data contained in public health statistical records for research purposes only, but no identifying use thereof shall be made.

(d) Index data consisting of name and sex of the registrant, type of vital event, and such other data as the director may authorize shall be made available to the public.

(e) The department may permit persons working on genealogy projects access to microfilm or other copies of vital records of events that occurred more than seventy-five years prior to the current year.

1,002 posted on 08/16/2012 7:15:59 AM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: Spunky
To let you know those postings were not hic-ups. You now have 1000 postings on what you have called YOUR thread. Do you think you can put it to bed now?

Don't pull that stunt again.

1,003 posted on 08/16/2012 8:04:19 AM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: Admin Moderator
"Don't pull that stunt again."

I won't.

1,005 posted on 08/16/2012 12:05:27 PM PDT by Spunky (Those)
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To: RummyChick
Have any of you guys confirmed that the poster Danae MAY have been a plant??????
After my confrontation with her several months ago over the Justia scrubbing issue I've not bothered with her.
I don't ping her, she doesn't ping me. I don't even know if she's still current and I haven't bothered to look.
1,006 posted on 08/16/2012 12:53:46 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: RummyChick
Her account is still active.

And she's still actively posting as of a few days ago.

1,007 posted on 08/16/2012 1:00:24 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: RummyChick

She’ll either respond to your reply or not.


1,008 posted on 08/16/2012 1:01:49 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: RummyChick
I must admit I'm chuckling here. You ping just the two of us yet you ask..."Have any of you guys..."

It's just me, all alone, here on this side of the monitor, not more than one person.

No offense, but you could've worded that much better.

1,009 posted on 08/16/2012 1:08:22 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

OH SHEESH....it was a GENERIC “you guys” as in anyone reading this thread...I put the person I was talking about in the reply..and I was replying to the last post in my browser.

IT COULD HAVE BEEN ANYONE.


1,010 posted on 08/16/2012 1:53:23 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: philman_36

What month do you live in???

This is AUGUST in the real world..not April.


1,011 posted on 08/16/2012 1:58:03 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: philman_36

I don’t care whether she responds or not.

I am looking to see if anyone has figured out if her dad went to school with Obama, Sr.


1,012 posted on 08/16/2012 1:59:13 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick
I am looking to see if anyone has figured out if her dad went to school with Obama, Sr.
Well why didn't you say so from the beginning instead of all this roundabout BS?

This is AUGUST in the real world..not April.
Much like dog years, that is a few days ago in terms of "posting history".

Don't your "years" here seem just like days at times. Mine do.

If I confused you then my apologies. I should have been more explanatory.

1,013 posted on 08/16/2012 2:08:43 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

Good God, get off my back.

I ask if any of you guys had figured out if she was a plant. I posted a link.

Since you don’t know...GET OFF MY BACK.


1,014 posted on 08/16/2012 2:15:06 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick
BWAHAHAHAHAHA

One FReeper’s poorly worded comment, in particular, drew an especially defensive and revealing reaction.

I'm glad you gave me the keyword "father" to look for or I wouldn't have bothered even reading the link as the article is rather long.

No, I have no info on her father or her family.

1,015 posted on 08/16/2012 2:21:45 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: RummyChick
You're the one ragging on me!
You're the one who pinged me!

Don't get snippy with me because of your laziness in not removing my name from the "To" box!

You should've removed my name when you placed her name in the "To" box and placed "All" there instead if your reply was meant to go to anybody who might be reading this thread.

It's just easier to lash out at "the big bad ogre", isn't it.

1,016 posted on 08/16/2012 2:34:15 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

You are real piece of work. You keep dragging this on and on and on.

I made a generic post. Yours was the post I responded to because it was in my browswer...and you are throwing a HISSY fit because you don’t like the way I worded a post.

GET LOST


1,017 posted on 08/16/2012 3:18:40 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: Spunky
You now have 1000 postings on what you have called YOUR thread.

lol, I was also going to make the same statement.


1,018 posted on 08/16/2012 4:02:01 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: RummyChick

he can’t help himself...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/2913366/replies?c=638

http://www.spindletopmhmr.org/


1,019 posted on 08/16/2012 4:09:39 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: RummyChick
If that's your story then I suggest you stick to it.

GET LOST
Are you the site owner?

1,020 posted on 08/16/2012 4:12:41 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Brown Deer; RummyChick
Brown Deer can't help lying by omission either especially as he planned to later play a feeble game of gotcha trying to use my own words against me.

Instead Brown Deer perfectly illustrated the ongoing, underhanded tactics being employed yet again.

And here we are again with me having to expose such cheap, petty, base tactics for what they are.

1,021 posted on 08/16/2012 4:22:00 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Brown Deer

Looks like it is on its way to 2000. But I promised the Admin I wouldn’t help it this time. :-)


1,022 posted on 08/16/2012 4:44:11 PM PDT by Spunky (Those)
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To: Spunky
Looks like it is on its way to 2000.

And still nothing whatsoever to prove the Mal/Val theory.
Do you reckon any proof will be provided by reply 2000?
Or will the replies all be conjecture and speculation?

1,023 posted on 08/16/2012 4:50:21 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Seizethecarp; RummyChick
It links to zotted FReeper MissTickly’s blog...
Oh, does it! How interesting.
1,025 posted on 08/16/2012 5:59:53 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: RummyChick; Admin Moderator; Jim Robinson; Danae; philman_36
That blog in the removed comment #1004 is a very ugly, rancid blog. The blogger writes:

“And, if you still believe that Obama’s friends are your friends, it’s time to take a good long look and see that they are using you. Miki Booth is not on your side and FReeper ‘Danae’ does not share your values – they lie. They’ve wasted our time, energy, money, and more by playing political games. They stabbed us in the back. They deserve prison, and nothing less.”

Just a day after a youtube with Miki Booth gets posted on FR showing her getting Senator Coburn to agree to get with Arpaio over Barry's forgery, why would Rummychick suddenly pop into the back end of a long eligibility thread and smear Danae as a possible “plant” and direct FReepers to a zotted disgruntled Puma's blog that smears both Miki Booth and Danae for specious reasons? Just who is the “plant” here, I have to wonder?

1,026 posted on 08/16/2012 6:43:11 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: Seizethecarp
Just who is the “plant” here, I have to wonder?

A veritable Holmesian prospect.

1,027 posted on 08/16/2012 7:55:52 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Seizethecarp

begin quote from the thead article:

Again, please use this thread for discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf IS Barack Obama’s mother with or without Malcolm X being his father.

end quote


1,028 posted on 08/16/2012 8:38:20 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Seizethecarp; Plummz; Fred Nerks; PhilDragoo; little jeremiah
So....Lynn Davis could be Valerie Sarruf’s daughter...by Malcolm X...and sister to Barry?

Do you have some evidence to support your theory that Malcolm X was a pedophile having sex with 8 year old girls? Maybe one of the younger Davis girls could support your theory, but I just don't see any resemblance.

Jeanne Moani Davis & Robert Harold Hyde w/grandson
1,030 posted on 08/24/2012 4:46:40 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Greenperson; Seizethecarp
The male determines the sex of the offspring. It’s a clearly inheritable trait for a man to produce more X sperm than Y sperm, thus tending to have daughters instead of sons. What are the odds that he had all those girls and perhaps just one son? What sex are Obama’s offspring?

Barack Senior had many more sons than daughters. Odd.


FMD also had only one son and many daughters. Barack II had only daughters and zer0 sons. Odd.
1,031 posted on 08/24/2012 4:46:45 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Brown Deer
If I had a sister she would look just like Lynn Davis in her yellow hoodie...


1,032 posted on 08/24/2012 5:14:58 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: Seizethecarp; Brown Deer

Cross-posting...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2959921/posts?page=40

To: All; Brown Deer; LucyT; philman_36

Freepers and lurkers:

For those of you wondering why this Lebanese family tree appears on this thread, let me explain that it is in furtherance of the “Mal-Val” theory which holds that Lebanese Christian Valerie Sarruf is Barack Obama’s mom and Malcolm X is his dad. If this theory is true this family tree appears to show that Obama is a second-cousin, once-removed from the recently notorious Lebanese twins, Jill Kelley and Natalie Khawam. Very amusing, that.

The whole Mal-Val theory is controversial and there is a 1000 comment FR thread dedicated to the topic.

Here is the link and some of the article:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/2913366/posts

Re:”Mal and Val - not Ann and the Old Man” Any evidence Valerie Sarruf is Obama’s mom? (vanity)

Seizethecarp vanity commentary on Dr. Ron J. Polland youtube dated 08/07/11 ^ | August 1, 2012 | Seizethecarp (vanity)

Posted on Wednesday, August 01, 2012 2:18:33 PM by Seizethecarp

“Meet The Parents....of alias Barack Obama. Black Sunni Muslim father and White Lebanese Christian mother. Born in the ME, raised in Indonesia, became BHO II in 1982.” Dr. Ron J. Polland

The “Mal-Val” youtube video at the link was posted by FReeper Polarik (Dr. Ron Polland) in August of 2011 and while morphing the image of a woman named “Val” into an image of Obama, he insinuates that “Val” is Obama’s mom. One year later this youtube has only 1,150 views.

In July 2012, two FReepers associated the woman, “Val,” in Polarik’s Youtube with Lebanese actress Valerie Sarruf and have posted multiple images of her at various ages on FR eligibility threads. I am opening this thread to invite discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf is Barack Obama’s mother, with or without Malcolm X being his father.

Where could Malcolm X and Valerie Sarruf have been in 1960 when baby Barry would have been conceived? Is there any evidence that Sarruf could have been pregnant and delivered a baby in 1961? In what country could the baby have been delivered? How and when could the alleged Mal-Val baby have been inserted into the identity and life narrative of the person we have come to know as Barack Hussein Obama?

Full disclosure: I refute categorically all of the Mal-Val narrative as wildly speculative and unsupported by any evidence that I have seen so far.

85 posted on 11/15/2012 12:30:45 PM PST by Seizethecarp (Defend airframes in the “Runway Kill Zone” (search term) from mini-drone attack!)


1,033 posted on 11/15/2012 12:36:20 PM PST by Seizethecarp (Defend airframes in the "Runway Kill Zone" (search term) from mini-drone attack!)
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To: LucyT; philman_36; WildHighlander; Fantasywriter; Brown Deer; GregNH; Fred Nerks

Cross-posting:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/2306351/posts?page=11721#11721

To: Brown Deer; GregNH

It’s all gone too far imo, all I wanted to do was show the results of the research conducted by a group of freepers - and wanted to do that step by step, so that what we saw could be followed.
It was always meant to be a take-or-leave-it proposition. I was just the spokesperson for a dedicated bunch who spent a lot of time trying their best to find out what was behind it all, and wanted to remain anonymous. Some of the group were so nervous of being identified, they didn’t even want their compatriot freepers to know their screen-names. That’s the kind of atmosphere you are living in, if you haven’t noticed.
There are freepers too afraid to post here, who helped, who have asked me not to name them. I’ve kept who they are confidential. I earned their trust and intend to keep it that way.

This has to be my nth attempt, I’ve lost count. Whenever I get ten percent of the way, there he is, deliberately cutting me off and diverting attention. I absolutely refuse to tell the end of the story before the beginning. The trolls want to know the punchline. I’m insisting they listen to the joke. It’s that simple. What we gathered is supported by the sources we collected and I post as often as I can without being boring and repetitious.
I’m through. If the trolls want information they’ll just have to rely on articles in the MSM and the books written in an endless stream, the authors of which are not anonymous and need to be careful.
It’s disappointing to be cut off at the knees with every attempt, but that’s just the way it is. Why they do it beats me, the only reason that makes sense is that removing the myth of the mother from ‘Dreams’ terrifies them - and Bill Ayres has to be laughing of course.
You don’t mess with motherhood. It’s sacrosanct. She’s been implanted into the fairy-tale and getting her out of there would seem to be impossible.
Which is really amusing when you think of it...there’s no physical evidence of her presence in Hawaii, no one has ever come forward who saw her pregnant, the birth announcements don’t name her, no one can say they saw a genuine birth certificate, you never saw her graduation photograph on a full page of the Mercer Island yearbook, let alone an image of her with a full group of class of 1960 students, and there’s nothing from the U of HI to confirm anything other than there was an enrollment for Fall 1960, which you can’t be sure who it was for; the Ann S Obama in the Polk for 1961 just might turn out to be the student Ann Obama whom he met at the Russian Class - from whom he was later separated who returned to the Philippines.
And now we are down to picking at the carcass to try and find that girl in Hawaii by having Maraniss say that Kiri Tith knew her from other sources, other than the student gatherings, during which he does remember Ann or Anne, whose photograph shows her in the room with them all. It’s really too desperate an attempt to locate Stanley Ann Dunham in Hawaii for me to bother with. I can’t be sure, but isn’t that second hand or third hand hearsay?
Btw, accusing me of Alinksy tactics has to be the greatest joke of all. I’m nothing but a retired Australian person, who came to FR in 2003 as a result of my estimation that a certain ‘religion of peace’ was out to destroy us all, and I wanted to make it known that there was a biography of muhammad available on the web as a free download.
I wouldn’t have known Alinsky from a bar of soap.
And the first time I saw an image of zero on TV here in Oz, before he was ever a candidate, my stomach turned over.

Thank you.

11,721 posted on Saturday, April 20, 2013 6:19:35 PM by Fred Nerks (Come Visit Tasmania!)


1,034 posted on 04/20/2013 5:12:49 PM PDT by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: Seizethecarp

Cross-posted:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/2306351/posts?page=11695#11695

To: Brown Deer; Fred Nerks; WildHighlander57; Fantasywriter; LucyT

You are smart enough to understand conditional logic, therefore I conclude that it is likely that you are being deceptive and dishonest.

Here are the basics on conditional logic at this link;

http://philosophy.lander.edu/logic/conditional.html

Obots, trolls, SPs and Mal-Val pushers (who are cult believers that Malcolm X is Barry’s dad and Valerie Sarruf is his mom) ALL assert that there is NO chance that Stanley Ann could have gone to Kenya to deliver Barry or even have been Barry’s mom, in the case of the Mal-Val cult members.

Using logic and the known contemporaneous corroborated documented facts I have proposed two CONDITIONAL narratives that could provide the motivation for the funding needed to place Stanley Ann in Kenya.

These are POSSIBLE narratives that provide funding motivation NOT assertions that either narrative is a fact.

It is possible that FMD OR BHO Sr. could have been motivated (note the conditional phrasing) to hide the pregnancy of Stanley Ann for different reasons and to have arranged a sham marriage.

It is possible that FMD OR BHO Sr. could have personally or through backers obtained the funding needed to pay for Stanley Ann to travel to Kenya sometime between Feb 1961 and the delivery of baby Barry.

Conclusive i.e. verifiable evidence has not yet developed that would support conclusive assertion that either man is the dad or where Barry was born and I have repeatedly posted that.

I HAVE conclusively EXCLUDED the possibility that any other woman is Barry’s mom because only Conspiracy Theory (CT) could explain the numerous 1961 documents which back up that conclusion (UH, UW, INS FOIA, HI Newspaper, Polk).

11,695 posted on Saturday, April 20, 2013 12:19:53 PM by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from “runway kill zone” mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)


1,035 posted on 04/20/2013 5:20:04 PM PDT by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: Seizethecarp

Cross-posting:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/2306351/posts?page=11692#11692

To: All; Brown Deer; Fred Nerks; WildHighlander57; Fantasywriter; LucyT; Cold Case Posse Supporter

“Not so sure about seize and the flipflopping between his Mal/Val and FMD stories: “If Obama’s actual father is Frank Marshall Davis, and it can be proved to save Obama’s presidency, Obama is NBC regardless of what Stanley Ann put on the BC, or where Obama was born.”

All:

Both Brown Deer and Fred Nerks are resorting to intentional deception by twisting my use of the conditional IF sentence structure. This is dishonest and an attempt to mislead FReepers and smear me.

I have never declared, claimed, asserted or concluded that FM Davis was Barry’s dad. Being keen on forensics, what I assert is that only DNA studies could prove who the biological father is.

I HAVE put forward two scenarios under which either BHO Sr. or FMD could have had the means, motive and opportunity to have been behind the transport of a pregnant Stanley Ann to Kenya.

These are investigative hypothetical narratives and have never been put forward by me as facts, assertions, conclusion, etc.

I have put forward these two possible dads and two possible narratives that could get Stanley Ann to Kenya to defeat claims by those FReepers, Obots, SPs and others who claim THERE IS NO WAY that Stanley Ann could have made it to Kenya to give birth to Barry.

The greatest threat to Barry’s eligibility is proof of a non-Hawaii birth and all of the Obot legal team behavior point to protection of evidence in the HI vital records that is consistent with a foreign birth, most likely in Kenya.

Obots, of course, are KEENLY interested in using Alinski-style mockery and deception to defeat any credible narrative that would allow for Stanley Ann to have gone to Kenya. And some Obot trolls appear to want to even defeat the obvious conclusive evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham is even Barry’s mom!

11,692 posted on Saturday, April 20, 2013 11:08:33 AM by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from “runway kill zone” mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)


1,036 posted on 04/20/2013 5:22:32 PM PDT by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: Seizethecarp

Cross-posting:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/2306351/posts?page=11684#11684

To: Fred Nerks; WildHighlander57; Fantasywriter

“Someone who thought they knew her (I didn’t bother to keep the story) said she was of Japanese ancestry.
ANN OR ANNE IS THE GIRL HE REMEMBERS.”

IIRC, Kith was the one who gave the last name for Anne as being a Japanese name.

Maraniss reports that Kith ALSO know Ann Dunham specifically AWAY from Sr. so as we have seen a picture of Sr. and Anne in the same room at the Nachmanoff party, Japanese Anne and Ann Dunham are not the same person in Kith’s mind.

All:

The Mal-Val grooming program includes dangling tasty tidbit insinuations that Asian Anne at the Nachmanoff party with Sr. is a possible secret wife of Sr. , the supposed “Anna Obama” in Seattle in early 1961 getting a different baby son from Sr. babysat by Mary Toutonghi.

11,684 posted on Saturday, April 20, 2013 1:51:58 AM by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from “runway kill zone” mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)


1,037 posted on 04/20/2013 5:24:21 PM PDT by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: Seizethecarp

Cross-posting:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/2306351/posts?page=11676#11676

To: All; Fred Nerks; WildHighlander57; Fantasywriter; LucyT

According from Jack Cashill’s article:

http://www.wnd.com/2012/06/biographer-admits-there-was-no-obama-family/

“One Obama friend, a Cambodian named Kiri Tith, knew the senior Obama ‘very well.’ He had also met Ann through a different channel. ‘But he had no idea,’ writes Maraniss, ‘that Ann knew Obama, let alone got hapai (pregnant) by him, married him, and had a son with him.’”

IIRC, Kiri Tith made these comments on a personal blog that may no longer be available.

Kiri Tith is pictured and named at the Nachmanoff party photo with Sr a copy of which is here:

http://keywiki.org/index.php/Barak_Obama

The quotes from Kiri Tith make him a potential living witness who could verify that “Ann” Dunham WAS AT UH at the SAME TIME AS SR., just as the UH transcripts, UW transcripts and INS FOIA documents corroborate.

Pictures of Ann Dunham were all over the media at the time Kith made the quoted comments above, so it is certain that he would have noticed if the Ann who the media portrayed as POTUS Barry’s mom was NOT the same Ann he knew at UH.

Kiri Tith also did NOT associate BHO Sr. with any other Ann, Anne, or Anna as a wife or mother of a different son (the claimed Asian or Filipina Anna Obama who mysteriously went to Seattle in early 1961 with a secret baby of BHO Sr.

In addition to refuting the “Dreams” Narrative of the “happy family,” IIRC, on his blog, Tith said BHO Sr. was a big communist and against American foreign policy. The Obots obviously didn’t get to Tith and “advise” him to stick to Barry’s Dreams Narrative.

11,676 posted on Saturday, April 20, 2013 12:29:09 AM by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from “runway kill zone” mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)


1,038 posted on 04/20/2013 5:26:15 PM PDT by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: Seizethecarp

Cross-posting:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/2306351/posts?page=11669#11669

To: Fantasywriter; WildHighlander57; Cold Case Posse Supporter; LucyT

With reference to:

“Audio: Dr. Jerome Corsi; Obama Identity Document Fraud Issue Politically A Dead Horse”

http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2013/04/corsi-obama-identity-fraud-issue-dead-horse.html

IMO, Corsi appears no longer be involved with the Cold Case Posse investigation, perhaps because it has become a criminal investigation...and Corsi is now focused on promoting his new book having nothing to do with the BC forgery issue and wants people to focus on and buy his new book.

Corsi knows fully well that the BC forgery issue is not dead as a criminal issue or as a political issue if the hard evidence can result in an indictment of the forger.

11,669 posted on Friday, April 19, 2013 8:39:30 PM by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from “runway kill zone” mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)


1,039 posted on 04/20/2013 5:28:49 PM PDT by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: Seizethecarp

Cross-posting:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/2306351/posts?page=11667#11667

To: All; Brown Deer; David; WildHighlander57; Fantasywriter; LucyT

Per Brown Deer:

“Sorry, I like David, cannot give you a link to any of my personal communications with him. Are you really that ignorant?”

All:

As luck would have it Jerome Corsi was on with Mark Gillar this week promoting his new book and although he says the forged BC issue is “politically a dead horse,” Corsi stands behind all of his published investigations on Barry’s origins and Corsi says that he believes Barry will ultimately be found to have been born in Kenya.

Of course, included in Corsi’s prior published investigations is the finding that Stanley Ann Dunham IS Barry’s mom and that her UW transcrips are accurate so she was at UW during the 1961-62 school year.

“Audio: Dr. Jerome Corsi; Obama Identity Document Fraud Issue Politically A Dead Horse”

http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2013/04/corsi-obama-identity-fraud-issue-dead-horse.html

11,667 posted on Friday, April 19, 2013 8:26:28 PM by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from “runway kill zone” mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)


1,040 posted on 04/20/2013 5:29:37 PM PDT by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: Seizethecarp

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/2306351/posts?page=11619#11619

To: Fantasywriter; WildHighlander57

“Question: has ANY prominent conservative investigator [such as Zullo], investigative journalist [such as Corsi], a documentarian such as Cashill, or any other conservative w good credentials laid out a detailed case against Stanley Ann being the mother?”

Not that I have seen. When I started the Mal-Val thread I asked FReepers, Mal-Val trolls, spammers, SPs, you name it, if they had any evidence that pointed to any woman other than Stanley Ann being Barry’s mom and got bupkis after 1000+ comments.

There was the usual sly insinuation, shell-game with the baby pictures and baby identities and Roman Obama being born BHO II having a mamma from the Philippines but being raised in Kenya...all without a single document or piece of verifiable evidence...but lots of innuendo based on newspaper articles that rely on 50-year-old memories...or experimentation with different first names by a 19-year-old.

11,619 posted on Thursday, April 18, 2013 8:22:43 PM by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from “runway kill zone” mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)


1,041 posted on 04/20/2013 5:34:15 PM PDT by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: Seizethecarp

Cross-posting:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/2306351/posts?page=11613#11613

To: All; Fred Nerks

“Looks like the two little boys grew up.”

All:

Just so you know, this thread is being hijacked again with Mal-Val Narrative tasty tidbits.

WTPOTUS Blog labels the picture of the boys correctly as David and Mark Obama.

http://wtpotus.wordpress.com/2010/11/16/the-obama-family-saga-continues/

The man pictured to the right of POTUS Barry in the lower right is Roman Obama. The Mal-Val narrative posits that Roman Obama was fathered by BHO Sr. with “Anna Obama” (who was in the apartment house with Mary Toutonghi in early 1961, not 1962) and given the name BHO II at birth ahead of Barry.

Circa 1964, according to Mal-Val, Roman was stripped of his name and was spirited to Kenya and replaced in the US with Barry (the son of Malcolm X and Valerie Sarruf) in the care of Stanley Ann (who supposedly was never in HI prior to 1963.

The overwhelming proof that Stanley Ann was at UW when the official UW transcripts say she was destroys both the Dreams Narrative and the Mal-Val Narrative, IMO.

11,613 posted on Thursday, April 18, 2013 7:14:31 PM by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from “runway kill zone” mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)


1,042 posted on 04/20/2013 5:36:00 PM PDT by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: Seizethecarp

Cross-posting:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/2306351/posts?page=11723#11723

To: Seizethecarp

Thanks for that, if I had thought of it, I would have done it myself. That thread you posted as a vanity contains much of the same material I have been posting here, so that’s twice the reader will see it. Good thinking.

11,723 posted on Saturday, April 20, 2013 8:23:09 PM by Fred Nerks (Come Visit Tasmania!)


1,043 posted on 04/21/2013 7:59:31 AM PDT by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: Seizethecarp

Cross-posting:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/2306351/posts?page=11456#11456

To: All; Fred Nerks; WildHighlander57; LucyT; Fantasywriter

“Hey, bring that yearbook back!”

All:

Fred Nerks’ Mal-Val Narrative posits that Stanley Ann did not spend her senior year at Mercer HS but was somewhere else. So this tantalizing tidbit questioning whether Ann in in the Mercer yearbook as a senior is being offered by FN to pique the curiosity of the uninformed and unwary. Stanley Ann was never in HI until 1963, according to Mal-Val. Of course, this claim is delusional!

I don’t know who FN thinks would still be on this thread that would fall for this nonsense.

11,456 posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2013 11:21:11 AM by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from “runway kill zone” mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)


1,044 posted on 04/21/2013 8:10:28 AM PDT by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: Seizethecarp

Cross-posting:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/2306351/posts?page=11415#11415

To: Fantasywriter

One day you’ll wake up and find the answer to your question lies in the reason that Anna Obama was left out of the narrative because they really never expected anyone would find her. Charlette Le Fevre upset the apple-cart. Poor Mary, once she was told she had babysat the potus, she couldn’t condradict Charlette without revealing who Anna was.
But you haven’t been paying attention, so you wouldn’t have noticed. You’re too busy being funny and sucking up to the resident critic, who rarely supplies sources but no one seems to care that all he does is try to steal my oxygen.

And btw, when I tell you the truth, you perform like the fly caught in a web, you struggle and struggle and just make yourself look more stupid. Why don’t you have a little break from being insulting and THINK for a change?

11,415 posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2013 7:07:00 PM by Fred Nerks (Come visit Tasmania!)


1,045 posted on 04/21/2013 8:18:57 AM PDT by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: Seizethecarp

Cross-posting:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/2306351/posts?page=11416#11416

To: chicken head

You need to wash your mouth out with soap, you just called David Barry. Might that be because they are so hard to tell apart? Has it penetrated that they are one and the same child?

11,416 posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2013 7:09:23 PM by Fred Nerks (Come visit Tasmania!)


1,046 posted on 04/21/2013 8:21:18 AM PDT by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: Seizethecarp

Cross-posting:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/2306351/posts?page=11360#11360

To: Fred Nerks; WildHighlander57; LucyT

“...the Dunhams appear to have shared the house with the employer of Stanley Armour, and someone known as Ann S Obama who was a student.”

Yes, my memory of off when I recalled that the name Add S. Dunham was used in the Polk at that address. I stand corrected.

However, it is the verifiable and admissible INS FOIA documents that can prove in court that on August 31, 1961, BHO Sr. named Ann S. DUNHAM (Get it?) as his spouse IN HIS OWN HAND (page 35).

In the accompanying notes by William F. Wood II on that same date, BHO Sr. is recorded as claiming that his wife, and baby named Barack Obama II were living with her parents, the same wife he had named as Ann S. DUNHAM of the form he just signed.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/59560239/FOIA-Release-Records-Relating-to-Barry-Soetoro-Stanley-Ann-Dunham-Barack-Obama-Sr-Lolo-Soetoro-Department-of-Homeland-Security

The verifiable (provable in court) evidence in the INS FOIA documents destroys the totally delusional claims that there was a different Ann S. Obama with a different baby at the same address with the Dunhams.

11,360 posted on Monday, April 15, 2013 8:27:20 PM by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from “runway kill zone” mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)


1,047 posted on 04/21/2013 8:30:34 AM PDT by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: Seizethecarp

Cross-posting:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/2306351/posts?page=11261#11261

To: WildHighlander57; Fred Nerks

IMO it is totally consistent for Stanley Ann to appear in both the HI 1961-62 Polk Directory and the WA 1961-62 Polk directory. She was in HI in 1961 and in WA in late 1961 and early 1962. Absolutely no inconsistency with Polk.

The Polk Directories published names and addresses of persons in a given locality retrospectively during 1961-62. Stanley Ann meets that criteria for both HI and WA.

Her UW transcript corroborates her Anna Obama WA Polk address and Polk places her living at the same address with her parents.

See WND article and images:

http://www.wnd.com/2009/08/107337/

If Corsi or the Seattle newspapers thought there was anything funky about Anna Obama in the 1961-62 Polk being Stanley Ann they would have said so, IMO.

11,261 posted on Monday, April 15, 2013 12:06:13 AM by Seizethecarp


1,048 posted on 04/21/2013 8:34:10 AM PDT by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: Seizethecarp

Cross-posting:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/2306351/posts?page=11177#11177

To: Greenperson

I THINK YOU’RE RIGHT...He may have carried a photograph of a little boy - but it wasn’t zero. Remember Zeituni was so upset when she was interviewed, she said of course he was born in Hawaii, she remembers the kenyan wrote home about it...and that would have been just like the other letter the clan received, the one in which he told them he had married a woman named Anna Toot and was working for an oil company.
(I think he was working at the Dole Cannery actually, it’s on his immigration file.)
The kenyan wrote home, Onyango was the only one who could read, and Zeituni was a young girl at the time but she remembers. And the clan member who recalls the name Anna Toot, I bet he didn’t get that name from reading ‘Dreams’ that article was published on an African website in 2004.

Seems to me the Onyango Clan knew all about the little boy that Anna and the kenyan had. And that’s the photograph he carried around with him, and that’s the boy he would have visited several times, while he was at Harvard.

Maybe that’s the boy Mary baby-sat for Anna Obama, the child they were thinking of adopting out, but he found someone to look after him after the mother left; the woman from whom he says he was separated.

That’s why I’ve always asked, WHO WAS ANNA OBAMA? She was in the Seattle Polk and the Seattle Reverse directory for 1961-62.

11,177 posted on Sunday, April 14, 2013 5:22:47 PM by Fred Nerks (Come visit Tasmania!)


1,049 posted on 04/21/2013 8:37:49 AM PDT by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: Seizethecarp

Cross-posting:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/2306351/posts?page=11187#11187

To: All; Fred Nerks; Fantasywriter; WildHighlander; Cold Case Posse Supporter; LucyT; philman_36; ...

“Maybe that’s the boy Mary baby-sat for Anna Obama, the child they were thinking of adopting out, but he found someone to look after him after the mother left; the woman from whom he says he was separated.

“That’s why I’ve always asked, WHO WAS ANNA OBAMA? She was in the Seattle Polk and the Seattle Reverse directory for 1961-62.”

All:

The above comments are Mal-Val Narrative spam claims ultimately intended to lead newbie and/or uninformed FReepers eventually (and tortuously, and incoherently) to a claim that Malcolm X is POTUS Barry’s dad, and a Lebanese actress, Valerie Sarruf, is Barry’s mom.

Distracting, thread-hijacking, Mal-Val claims have been posted dozens of times before and have been have been decisively debunked on the Mal-Val thread at this link:

Re:”Mal and Val - not Ann and the Old Man” Any evidence Valerie Sarruf is Obama’s mom? (vanity)

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/2913366/posts?page=265

11,187 posted on Sunday, April 14, 2013 6:14:28 PM by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from “runway kill zone” mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)


1,050 posted on 04/21/2013 8:39:40 AM PDT by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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