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President Obama's birth doctor, James Ang'awa, was neighbors with Barack Obama Senior in the 1960s
allafrica.com and Mary Ang'awa (Dr. James Ang'awa's daughther) ^ | 03.05.2010 | InspectorSmith

Posted on 03/05/2010 7:56:12 PM PST by InspectorSmith

Dr Ang'awa had worked in Embu, Kiambu, Kilifi, Mombasa, Kakamega and Bungoma and was one of the best known members of the medical profession in the country.

Her father was brutally killed when she was a teenager more than 40 years ago, but Lady Justice Mary Ang'awa has opted to forgive his killer. During her reflection at a recent meeting to plan the 40th anniversary of the death of her father, she had no qualms about offering a pardon. "I have forgiven you," she says is the message she has for the killer of Dr James Ang'awa.

One of the pioneer medical specialists in the country, Dr Ang'awa was hit on the head with a blunt object on Tom Mboya Street by an unknown assailant.

A police inquest cleared a suspect who had been arrested although Justice Ang'awa is not convinced the decision was the right one. "My father died a painful death. Investigations and inquests were concluded. I and my brothers--Antony, Hillary, Charles and William-- have climbed a steep path to success with the guidance of our mother Perez. So the best thing to do is to forgive the killer," she told the Sunday Nation.

At the time of her father's death, Justice Ang'awa was a Form One student at Limuru Girls' high school. Her family enjoyed a comfortable life; her father was establishing a reputation for his research into treatment of tuberculosis.

The family lived in high-class government quarters in Upper Hill. Among their neighbours were Dr Njoroge Mungai, former President Kenyatta's personal physician, President Kibaki, who was then minister for Finance and the late Barack Obama Sr, father of American President Barack Obama.

The family was evicted from the house three months after Dr Ang'awa's death.

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To: Fantasywriter
For 99.99999999999999999999999999999 percent of young Kenyan men of David’s time that info is not available online.

and that makes absolutely no sense at all.
901 posted on 03/31/2014 6:54:09 AM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Brown Deer

I’m not going to keep wasting time on you. After this, I’m going to call harassment. You’ve singled me out for more of your relentless idiocy, which you have done before. Enough is enough.

But just this one last time. David was born & died in a Third World country. His death preceded the advent of widespread personal computer usage—in First World countries—by almost a decade. His life, and that of his contemporaries, are not chronicled on the Net.

Now leave me alone. I’m sick and tired of your harassment.


902 posted on 03/31/2014 7:00:30 AM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Fantasywriter
I'm sick of you calling me an idiot. You are the one that made the stupid post, not me.

David was born & died in a Third World country.

That might be what you believe, but you don't know that for a fact.
903 posted on 03/31/2014 7:12:54 AM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Fred Nerks

My all time favourite is the John Hunt statement that has him visiting ‘Ann Dunham’ at the Seattle address after he had just returned from Utah...it was the time of the World Fair...

And then, right on cue, in another article, up pops some woman named Barbara and she is reading from the same script...word for word. She had spent the afternoon with ‘Ann Dunham’ and had just returned from Utah at the time of the World Fair...

I almost choked, laughing.
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ROFLMAO!


907 posted on 03/31/2014 2:00:34 PM PDT by Greenperson
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To: Fantasywriter

how is it that the people who actually live and work in Nairobi, and those who visited the city and spoke with friends and neighbors who knew the Ndesandjos as the kids were growing up, all state as a fact that David is real.
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May we please have links to any of this?


908 posted on 03/31/2014 2:18:44 PM PDT by Greenperson
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To: Greenperson

I’ve been posting links for quite some time now. I found a long, in-depth article in The Daily Nation, Kenya’s largest newspaper, that mentioned the facts of David’s life, including his motorcycle death. I found a much shorter article in Kenya’s second largest newspaper, The Standard, which also mentioned David’s life and death in a motorcycle crash. Sally Jacobs, for her book on Obama Sr., interviewed just about every neighbor the Ndesandjos ever had [there is an appendix in the back of her book, citing every single interview & the date on which it was conducted] and she too affirms David’s life and death.

The fact is, not one person who actually knew the Ndesandjos has stepped forward to question or deny David’s existence. Now that a new photo has been published on the cover of Mark Ndesandjos upcoming memoir, its easy to see the original David (of the younger photo) is indeed the same kid on the book jacket, only now ~three years older. Mark also says he devotes an entire section in his upcoming book to David and his relationship to the other siblings.

Bottom-line: there is zero evidence that David never existed, and overwhelming evidence that he did.

Oh, and btw, I also tracked down the present day Roman Obama. He returned from Russia to Equatorial Guinea and went into diplomatic service. He is today stationed in the D.C. embassy of Equatorial Guinea. There’s a photo of him on Google images, and he looks nothing like Obama.


909 posted on 03/31/2014 2:52:34 PM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: GregNH; Brown Deer; advertising guy; Greenperson; little jeremiah
...This statement is meant to separate [me] from [me]...

He was, according to at least three reports out of Kenya, there on his first visit in 1983. Malik has 'David' deceased in 1984. The scars suggest something violent may have happened. It's possible whatever caused the injuries landed him in hospital for a very long time. Did he enter as 'David' and exit as the BHO2 we know so well?

Are we to be afraid to ask questions?

It's just a book, for heaven's sake, we aren't talking about real people, just trying to glean something that fits with visible reality. It's not an autobiography, it's a novel based on biograpical background, and there are composite characters, it is devoid of any chronology, it's a self-serving instrument created to establish an identity.

The scars seem to be there, the missing period in NY between 1982/1983 has been discussed, and 'David' appeared as a mistaken identity, a 'ghost' in a street in Nairobi and disappeared without trace.

He remains the 'ghost' we first hear of in 'Dreams'

It's not about identifying the people or children we have been shown as being goodness knows who - it's about trying to make sense of possible events that are concealed behind false names and a lack of chronology.

It's about asking, who was the son of the kenyan named Barack whom people saw at the funeral? How could they mistake Malik for zero? They didn't say 'Malik went to his father's funeral' because that would not have been noteworthy. The boy Malik played with, who taught school in Uganda was also called Barack by Malik himself. One might assume he went to his father's funeral. He came and went quietly, says one report.

Kezia says that when Stanley Ann Dunham visited her, she was like a sister to her. There's a flight record with destination redacted for her in early 1983. Did their efforts to insinuate themselves into the clan as the long-lost son and his white wife end in a physical attack by a member of the family? Maybe introducing herself as Anna and the son the kenyan wrote home about wasn't immediately accepted?

Maybe it was a bit much to ask, after 'granny' Sarah had already taken part, probably in 1964, in a clan ceremony during which the US born son of the kenyan was 'passed through her hands' - who had been named after his father? And here's another one...

Did anyone ever ask, who is the elder brother of the kenyan student, the Clan Elder, whose existence has almost vanished? The older brother with whom the kenyan attended school at Maseno? The man who is seen with 'granny' Sarah, wearing the beaded cap and holding the whisk, which denotes his position in the tribe? Whose existence would explain why there is still an ongoing dispute about the clan land, and why Malik had to ask permission to erect a building - because he's NOT the eldest son of the eldest son. The eldest son of Onyango is the man the teacher at the school in Maseno named Joseph, which is Yusuf in arabic, and who left the school two years before his younger brother. Why the need to keep him under wraps, why does the wiki entry show Yusuf as born circa 1950's - when he's obviously of the same generation as the kenyan student himself?

Born in 1934 maybe? The birth year the kenyan was using on his documentation, perhaps to differentiate him somehow from an arrest record which would have prevented him from applying for a scholarship to any US destination...

And no amount of hysterical accusations should derail an effort to try and understand the structure of how the myth was created, if that is of interest, that is.

910 posted on 03/31/2014 2:54:10 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum)
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To: Fantasywriter

Mark knows when David died. He says it was in ‘87. Many other reliable sources say the same.
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Is MSNBC reliable? They say “one of the brothers died in 1984.”

http://web.archive.org/web/20080208180400/http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6333496


911 posted on 03/31/2014 2:58:38 PM PDT by Greenperson
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To: Greenperson

I wouldn’t trust MSNBC for the time of day if they owned the last clock on earth. I’d have buy a sundial and learn to use it.


912 posted on 03/31/2014 3:02:09 PM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Greenperson

I’ve tried and tried and tried to show that all of those statements are nothing but reprints of little snippets from the biographies, particularly the one by Sally Jacobs. Most of the articles do credit the source, they link straight back to her bio.
One doesn’t. It simply runs a summary of what articles appeared on a certain day, again, quoting the same information.
What do I get for my trouble? Hysterics. It’s not worth the trouble. Ignore the disruptive toddler in the room.


913 posted on 03/31/2014 3:08:53 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum)
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To: GregNH

914 posted on 03/31/2014 3:32:26 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum)
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915 posted on 03/31/2014 3:38:09 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum)
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THE OBAMA FILE

916 posted on 03/31/2014 3:43:59 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum)
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To: Fred Nerks

The teacher at Maseno says the elder brother was named Joseph, and then we have the kenyan insisting on his name being pronounced as 'Bearick' and no one put the two and two together; Joseph is the english version of the arabic name Yusuf, and BERWICK would be the english verion of Baraq. It was an ANGLICAN school they both attended.

It's all meangless trivia - or is it?

917 posted on 03/31/2014 3:52:28 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum)
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To: Greenperson

Malik has ‘David’ died in 1984. It was after all HIS motorcycle that was the cause, so shouldn’t we trust him?

A little sarcasm and a little salt...the young man pictured looks like his mother might have been polynesian. TWO pregnant girls left behind by an african student, remember? Try to ignore the one black arm.

http://www.barackhobamafoundation.org/Barack-H-Obama-Sr.html


918 posted on 03/31/2014 3:58:21 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum)
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To: Fred Nerks

You’re correct. The story goes that David was riding Malik’s bike home because Malik was incapacitated but wanted to stay and David wanted to go home. Wasn’t the story that at the time David was living with Malik, having run away from home and Malik found him on the street and took him into his apartment, so he could mentor him in Islam?


919 posted on 03/31/2014 4:04:23 PM PDT by Greenperson
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To: Fred Nerks

I’m curious why Yusuf would be kept under wraps, given the wrong birth date, and so on. Would that be because he was the one clan member who refused to go along with the charade of pretending that Zero was the son of 0bama?


920 posted on 03/31/2014 4:07:13 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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