The Truth About The Confederate Battle Flag

The Sierra Times ^ | 21 Jun 05 | Leon Puissegur

[IrishCatholic]

No, just not crap. Crap ending with the thought that anything other than your opinion is leftist or politically correct. You weren't looking for discussion. You weren't looking to educate. You were looking to indoctrinate or propagandize. You were looking to pick a fight where you could demean anyone thinking differently than yourself.
In essence, you were parroting the favorite tactics of the left you sought to tar others with. Your style of hoping others will see the light has the arrogance of the assumption you are holding the lamp. You know what I would like to see? A history of all the flags used in the Civil War. North and South. That would be history. That would be enlightening and worthy of a thread. Not what you posted.

[ambrose]

Talk about "moving the goal post"... I was specifically asked to identify a single instance in which a Confederate was CHARGED with treason. I did so.

The fact that the charges were dropped against Davis makes him no more innocent of treason than the jury's decision makes OJ Simpson innocent of murder.

[ambrose]

Bump.

[RebelBanker]

Stainless,

Unfortunately, I am afraid you erred slightly in wording your question. I believe you should have asked for any convicted of treason. Charging is easy, but making an unconstitutional charge stick is a horse of another color entirely!

Deo Vindice!
Reb

p.s. Thanks for the ping, this was a really interesting article.

[ambrose]

over here.

[MacDorcha]

Perhaps this little American concept eludes you: innocent until proven guilty.

I could bring up (false) charges against you, claiming you are harboring terrorists.

And if those charges are dropped, does that give me any right to keep insisting otherwise?

[stainlessbanner]

'Tis late and I did mistype. I meant convicted, not charged. For Davis and a handful of other CSA soldiers, the charges did not stick in 1869.

We've been down the path so many times. Thanks for correction Rebelbase.

[stainlessbanner]

You know what I would like to see? A history of all the flags used in the Civil War. North and South

Start the thread and interest folks will join in. I would like to see that one too.

If you don't like the direction this thread is going, start another one.

[stainlessbanner]

Oops - I meant RebelBanker (not Rebelbase)

I need to sign off....it's past my bedtime

[ambrose]

Funny... but part of Davis' defense against the treason charge is that he had already been found guilty and punished, by way of the provisions of the 14th Amendment.

[ambrose]

3 entries found for treason.
trea·son Audio pronunciation of "treason" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (trzn)
n.

1. Violation of allegiance toward one's country or sovereign, especially the betrayal of one's country by waging war against it or by consciously and purposely acting to aid its enemies.
2. A betrayal of trust or confidence.


[Middle English, from Anglo-Norman treson, from Latin trditi, trditin-, a handing over. See tradition.]

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Main Entry: trea·son
Pronunciation: 'trEz-&noun
Function: noun
Etymology: Anglo-French treison crime of violence against a person to whom allegiance is owed, literally, betrayal, from Old French traïson, from traïr to betray, from Latin tradere to hand over, surrender
: the offense of attempting to overthrow the government of one's country or of assisting its enemies in war; specifically : the act of levying war against the United States or adhering to or giving aid and comfort to its enemies by one who owes it allegiance —trea·son·ous /-&s/ adjective

Source: Merriam-Webster's Dictionary of Law, © 1996 Merriam-Webster, Inc.

treason

n 1: a crime that undermines the offender's government [syn: high treason, lese majesty] 2: disloyalty by virtue of subversive behavior [syn: subversiveness, traitorousness] 3: an act of deliberate betrayal [syn: treachery, betrayal, perfidy]

[MacDorcha]

Perhaps you would like to show us where the charges stuck?

We are a country founded on law. Nothing funny about it.

Davis also seems to have had a guilty concious. The man organized a comittee to have peaceful relations with the USA. Having continued the fight (He was even nominated prov. president... in protest)

Some people find an Albatross to be a way to put their hearts at ease.

That being said, the US Congress and Courts found him NOT GUILTY. The charges were dropped. To carry on as otherwise is petty and even slanderous of the will of our Nation.

[MacDorcha]

Heh, and would you mind explaining how he was disobeying his country... when he was the President of it?

Or do you hold to the silly notion that all it takes is one person to make a relationship still viable? That's called stalking, my friend.

[IrishCatholic]

It isn't the direction of the thread. That seems to be settling into the same old grooves that you and the others like to refight-endlessly.
If you notice I didn't comment on the article itself. That wasn't the point. It was poorly written and without merit. Why pick it apart? Can't everyone? When I first joined I jumped in on these Civil War threads because I didn't know people like you still thought this way. I like history but am not obsessed with the Civil War. I soon came to realize how much of your self is wrapped up in this. In our past posts back and forth you know I think you are...ferociously dedicated to your point of view. Nothing, fact or Divine Revelation, will move you. So now I basically ignore all but the most egregious dixie pings. It just isn't worth the time. There is so much on Free Republic to keep up on.
As for your invitation to start another thread if I don't like this one, you miss the point. Either on purpose or habit. What I commented on was the hubris of the poster's comments at the end. That was my objection. For someone as zealous as yourself, why don't you do the thread without editorial comment? You might not turn so many people off to your views.

[stainlessbanner]

If FR didn't have an editorial comment on each thread, it wouldn't be FR.

[M. Espinola]

So this is really it, the truth, the absolute, unvarnished, unbiased truth, without any question what-so-ever?

Not! lol

[lentulusgracchus]

While most battle flags were square, The Army of Tennessee Battle Flag is identical to the Naval Jack.

The flag commonly used in the Southeastern Department (Florida, Georgia, maybe SC) was identical to the Tennessee Battle Flag and the jack.

Moreover, while a number of heterodox patterns were used west of the Mississippi, an example saved from Jo Shelby's command when he crossed the Rio Grande and sank his colors in the river when he crossed (a color sergeant retrieved his) was of the same pattern as the Tennessee flag and included the white fimbrations (often missing in the West) and 13 stars. It was a cavalry color and so may have been square, or nearly so -- I don't know about that detail.

[lentulusgracchus]

I'm not the one trying to make a bunch of traitors out to be heroes.

That you, capitan_refugio? You're banned, you know.

Oh, wait -- that's right, you were there when it happened!

[CurlyBill]

It is you who have just used the classic tactic of the left .... accusing me of intolerance while you yourself are intolerant of my views.

[CurlyBill]

Just the type of response I'd expect from you.