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DC-10 Captain, a Police Officer, Talks Straight
Keep and Bear Arms ^ | September 26, 2001 | John Burnett

Posted on 09/28/2001 9:49:19 PM PDT by Solitar

DC-10 Captain, a Police Officer,

Talks Straight

September 26, 2001

Fraternal Brothers and Sisters, My name is John Burnett. I am a DC-10 Captain for FedEx. I am also a Police Officer for the Memphis Police Department.

My purpose in writing this is to share some of my thoughts regarding actions a pilot might consider when faced with a modern-day hijacker. These thoughts are outside-the-box when it comes to the way we've all been trained. Neither the FAA or our companies will suggest any of these techniques or implement them as a part of our normal training cycles. They couldn't for fear of lawsuits. I am distributing this via e-mail to buddies I've flown with. I'm asking them to send it to their circle of friends within the industry, and for you to send it to yours. I know most of us have e-mail, and I hope this reaches the next to face the horror of some religious fanatic onboard.

We have all had training in what to do in case of a hijacking; try to keep the hijacker calm, make him think you're doing what he wants, take him where ever he wants to go, etc., etc., etc. Save your passengers, your crew, and your aircraft. In an emergency, you will revert to that training. When our unfortunate peers were faced with the screams of the Flight Attendants and hijacker's demands to open the cockpit door, their training probably made them open the door. When the fanatics made demands, their training told them to comply as best they could. I can only wonder what their thoughts were as they left the cockpit and were tied up in the back of the plane; what they thought as they descended over New York. I hope the fanatics had to kill them in their seats and drag their dead bodies out of the cockpit. But, I bet they did as they were trained to do.

As you look back over recent hijackings, FedEx, Egypt Air, and now the September 11th hijackings, you see a perpetrator who, for one reason or another wants to take over the airplane and kill himself. Each of these hijackers, except for the FedEx incident, were successful. They took over the airplane and killed everyone onboard. If you're following the news programs today, you hear a lot about how we could let these hijackers learn to fly. You would think if knowing how to fly would guarantee a successful hijacking, Auburn Calloway (the FedEx hijacker) would have been a hijacker success story. He was a Navy pilot, a martial arts student, a fellow FedEx crewmember, and he took all the weapons he needed: hammers, knives and a spear gun. He didn't have to overcome any Flight Attendants or demand they open the cockpit door. He just went back to his bag, took out his hammer came back into the cockpit and started crushing skulls. The crewmembers on that flight didn't worry about Flight Attendants, they didn't worry about passengers. All three pilots left the cockpit and fought a hand-to-hand, life-or-death battle. To survive today's hijacker, you cannot worry about your passengers; you cannot worry about your Flight Attendants. You must develop a mind-set that everyone onboard, including yourself, is already dead. Because, if the hijacker is successful in taking over your airplane, not only you, your crew, your passengers and your aircraft are lost, but thousands on the ground are at risk.

One of the reasons the FedEx crew survived, is the extraordinary actions of the copilot. Although he had brain injury, the copilot took the DC-10 and immediately executed a half-roll. This maneuver took the hijacker off his feet as the Captain and S/O were struggling with him. During a point in the maneuver, the hijacker, Captain and S/O were thrown back behind the cockpit door. When he righted the airplane, the F/O then left his seat and joined the fight in the galley area of the plane. It was only after the Captain determined the hijacker was subdued, he returned to the cockpit and flew the airplane to landing.

Very few of us have had to confront true evil. Fewer still have seriously considered taking the life of another human being. I believe this is the reason the FedEx crew did not kill their attacker. The crew's heroism that day is beyond belief and any action that leads to a safe landing and recovery cannot be argued with. But, when the Captain left the F/O and S/O, thinking the situation was under control, he was mistaken. The F/O and S/O had sustained serious, life-threatening injuries. The hijacker had not. As the Captain flew the aircraft, the hijacker, who had surrendered, began the fight anew. As the airplane landed, the hijacker was just moments away from overcoming the two crewmembers. I mention this for your consideration. I would suggest that you make the conscious decision to kill anyone who tries to take your airplane from you.

Today we are at war. The hijacker who comes through your cockpit door is going to kill you and everyone onboard. So, how do you do that? What weapons are available to us as pilots?

The intercom.

Command that all men come forward and fight the hijackers. You have many able-bodied men onboard. They are sitting in shock not knowing what to do. Command they come forward and help you kill your attackers. And, they will come.

The airplane itself.

Get the hijackers off their feet. Go into an immediate dive to float them to the ceiling. Then execute a 6G positive maneuver and hope they hit their head or break their back as they hit the floor, galley shelf, etc.

Dump the cabin.

Maybe one of the hijackers has a head cold.

Pull the fire handles, shut the start levers and turn the fuel valves off.

If you loose the battle, at least the airplane won't be used as a guided missile on a kamikaze mission. With luck, maybe these guys didn't learn how to do an in-flight restart. Then leave the cockpit, all of you, and kill your attackers. Don't believe it when they surrender. Don't be nice to them. KILL THEM.

Flare Gun.

If your airplane has one, the Captain might consider making sure it's loaded and secured next to his bag. I can think of nothing more satisfying than watching a ball of burning phosphorous embedded into a fanatic's gut, burning its way through him.

The crash-axe.

I would suggest you have your copilot take it from it's holder and secure it next to him so he has it immediately available. Makes an excellent skull crusher.

Your flashlight.

The FAA use to require a 2 cell. A 3 cell Mag-Light makes an excellent weapon. If your maneuvers have the hijackers on the floor writhing in pain, crush their skulls with it.

Your stolen hotel bic pen.

Drive it into an attacker's eye, ear, throat, or into the area just under the jaw bone. That's a particular interesting place to drive it, because when he opens his mouth to scream, you can read Hyatt sticking there.

Your hand and fingers.

Drive your fingers into his eyes and try to feel your fingernails scrape the back of his eye sockets. Scoop the eyeballs out. It will confuse the hell out of him when he finds himself looking at his shoes as they dangle there on the ocular nerves.

Your teeth.

Remember Hannabal Lecter. Eat a nose, a cheek, or a finger. And keep eating. Attack with all viciousness. A piranha is a small fish, but it's greatly feared. A hijacker is not expecting you to eat him and it might make him forget why he got on your airplane to begin with. It will, at least, impress his buddies.

Now here's my wish-list of things the FAA could do to help, especially in this time of war.

Arm the Captain.

The battle is not going to require any long shots and a small revolver would be a good choice. It would hold off the attackers long enough for you to disable your aircraft. If the attackers claimed the red package they were holding was a bomb, I'd shoot out the door glass and hope the door would be ripped out and the hijacker and his package would be sucked out. And hey, if I got sucked out with him, I'd try to fly myself to the hijacker look in his face and laugh at him all the way to the ground.

Invite the local Police to jumpseat.

Police are always looking for something free.

Donut shops use to be a favorite target for robbers, until they started giving donuts to the Police. Robbers don't rob donut shops anymore. I would suggest each Police Department send the FAA a list of the best shots on the department and those guys and their guns would be welcome on my airplane. Fill every vacant seat with armed Police, give them a donut, and tell them to shoot anyone who gives your Flight Attendant any shit.

Stop this silly no-knife rule.

Make it public. Tell the public they're welcome to bring their pocket knives onboard. Then everyone will bring them. When you make your intercom call for help, you'll have a dozen or more knife wielding helpers trying to make sure their new Gerber tastes fanatics blood. There are even a few of them who'd want to keep ears as souvenirs.

Law enforcement agencies are all aware there are copy-cat criminals and fanatics. We have a number of loony fanatical hate-groups here in the USA: ALF, PETA, KKK, Army of God, Anti-abortionists, and the list goes on. It doesn't matter the size of your airplane. Right now, as I write this, there is an anti-abortionist escapee here in the Memphis area. He's seen what happened at the World Trade Center. A small commuter plane would do a great job on an abortion clinic, or on an animal research facility, or on a local synagogue, mosque, etc., etc., etc. None of us is immune. Take some time and consider your actions if this event should ever happen to you.

My prayer is none of you ever have to face this kind of decision.

Best of luck to you, and may God Bless

John Burnett


TOPICS: Editorial; Extended News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: globaljihad; jihadineurope; johnburnett; terrorism; wot
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His comments above say it all.
1 posted on 09/28/2001 9:49:19 PM PDT by Solitar
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To: Solitar
worthy of a BIG BUMP
2 posted on 09/28/2001 9:55:05 PM PDT by error99
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To: Solitar
Excellent post.

My only suggestion would be that at the beginning of each flight the captain should tell the passengers that in the event of hijacking he is ordering every passenger to make every effort to kill the hijacker by any means necessary.

I know that would make me feel confident that I had a captain I could count on!
3 posted on 09/28/2001 9:59:27 PM PDT by cgbg (cgbgjr@webtv.net)
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To: cgbg
wow! now thats some in flight reading material!
4 posted on 09/28/2001 10:03:40 PM PDT by KantianBurke
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To: Solitar
Police are always looking for something free

LOL! How true.

I can't back the Captain's suggestion regarding the police filling the vacant seats. Too many head-cases and swelled-heads.

5 posted on 09/28/2001 10:06:50 PM PDT by onyx
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To: JohnGalt
Your stolen hotel bic pen.

Drive it into an attacker's eye, ear, throat, or into the area just under the jaw bone. That's a particular interesting place to drive it, because when he opens his mouth to scream, you can read Hyatt sticking there.

LMAO

6 posted on 09/28/2001 10:08:55 PM PDT by GOV'T MULE
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To: cgbg
Do the 6G positive maneuver, or call all able bodied men forward, but please not both at the same time!;) Good article!
7 posted on 09/28/2001 10:15:41 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: Solitar
My fellow passengers:

Please do not mistrust me. I am a good guy with the best of intentions. I hope the media will not make me out to be the bad guy. I hope my family and your family will understand. I hope our friends would do the same thing.

It might be, on some future flight, the actions I will take may get us all killed. If a hijacker stands up and says he has got a bomb and he is going to blow up the plane unless we do what he says, I am going to do everything in my power to exterminate the bastard. I will throw everything I can at him, I will approach him with pillows and blankets and crutches and canes. When I get close enough I will beat the $hit out of him until he stops moving.

I hope for the rest of us he doesn't have a bomb. If he does and it goes off, I am sorry.

Never again will there be another flight that becomes a human missle if I can help it.

I hope you understand when I get up and run towards this useless scum that I am not for him or with him, I am the end of him.

If we all make it. I do not want to be the hero. I want to be alive. I want to go home again. I want to love my family. I want to be with my friends. I want to love my country

8 posted on 09/28/2001 10:16:27 PM PDT by Aztech
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To: All
Every potential passenger should soon know that if the "Fasten Seat Belt" light comes on during such an event - they could soon be flying upside down or be introduced to the "Vomit Comet" - though that would be preferable to dying.
9 posted on 09/28/2001 11:01:00 PM PDT by Solitar
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To: snopercod,mommadooo3,verb
Bump.
10 posted on 09/28/2001 11:09:42 PM PDT by First_Salute
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To: Solitar,JohnGalt,cgbg,Frank_2001
My selection for a recent flight, was a golf ball, a pen, and a metallic penlight.

The golf ball makes a good "brass knuckle," or you can throw it at the hijacker.

The penlight contains batteries which you can throw at the attacker; and then you crush the open end of the [then empty] metallic flashlight and thus have a crude knife edge.

And finally, the pen, as usefully mentioned in previous replies above.

I boarded the aircraft, prepared for combat: there is only one kind of a hijacker, a dead one.

11 posted on 09/28/2001 11:17:15 PM PDT by First_Salute
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To: Solitar
How about allowing law-abiding citizens who can pass a shooting accuracy test (3 yard shots) to conceal carry. Instruct them to "Israeli-style" carry (no round in the chamber).

I for one do not want the Captain to have to leave the flight deck and fight a terrorist.

I want him healthy and fully capable of piloting the aircraft and fully confident that the passengers can take care of themselves.

12 posted on 09/28/2001 11:35:21 PM PDT by ASTM366
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To: Solitar
Make it public. Tell the public they're welcome to bring their pocket knives onboard. Then everyone will bring them. When you make your intercom call for help, you'll have a dozen or more knife wielding helpers trying to make sure their new Gerber tastes fanatics blood. There are even a few of them who'd want to keep ears as souvenirs.

Now why isn't this guy head of the FAA?  He makes sense that's why.  His reasoning would separate the men from the boys of the terrorist world because only a "man" terrorist would try to hijack a plane with a couple dozen amateurs about to enter their first class on carving, slicing, and dicing.  With all the turkeys I've tried to carve and massacred I would gladly be willing to supervise this first carving class.  "Ah, no, that's too deep. Yes, one piece at a time. SSSlllllllllllllloooooooooooooooowwwwwwwwllllllllllyyyyyyyyy. That's right, the more blood the better, but oh, the screaming is not quite loud enough. Carve there"!  But if I can't be boss I will have a knife!

In all seriousness, if a situation like this pilot mentions occurs, consider yourself expendable and dead and go for the kill.  Then most likely you will live. Just don't stab your fellow warrior in the rush to get the ba$tard!!

 

13 posted on 09/29/2001 12:30:12 AM PDT by jwh_Denver
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To: First_Salute
I've been told that a nose rammed up into a head will kill. And that there are 18 places on the human body that are pressure points for death. I'll have to ask hubby. I remember him telling me that they taught such lovely topics in the Rangers.
14 posted on 09/29/2001 6:38:33 AM PDT by mommadooo3
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To: Solitar
The following is from a letter by a professional friend and her return flight to D.C. this week. I just wanted to drop you all a note and let you know that I arrived safe and sound into Dulles Airport tonight [9/15] at about 6:00. It was an interesting flight. The airport in Denver was almost spooky, it was so empty and quiet. No one was in line for the security check point when I got there so that went fairly quickly, just x-ray of my bags and then a chemical test to be sure nothing explosive was on them. Then I waited 2 1/2 hours to board the plane. What happened after we boarded was interesting and thought I would share it with you. The pilot/captain came on the loudspeaker after the doors were closed. His speech went like this: "First I want to thank you for being brave enough to fly today. The doors are now closed and we have no help from the outside for any problems that might occur inside this plane. As you could tell when you checked in, the government has made some changes to increase security in the airports. They have not, however, made any rules about what happens after those doors close. Until they do that, we have made our own rules and I want to share them with you. Once those doors close, we only have each other. The security has taken care of a threat like guns with all of the increased scanning, etc. Then we have the supposed bomb. If you have a bomb, there is no need to tell me about it, or anyone else on this plane; you are already in control. So, for this flight, there are no bombs that exist on this plane. Now, the threats that are left are things like plastics, wood, knives, and other weapons that can be made or things like that which can be used as weapons. Here is our plan and our rules. If someone or several people stand up and say they are hijacking this plane, I want you all to stand up together. Then take whatever you have available to you and throw it at them. Throw it at their faces and heads so they will have to raise their hands to protect themselves. The very best protection you have against knives are the pillows and blankets. Whoever is close to these people should then try to get a blanket over their head--then they won't be able to see. Once that is done, get them down and keep them there. Do not let them up. I will then land the plane at the closest place and we WILL take care of them. After all, there are usually only a few of them and we are 200+ strong! We will not allow them to take over this plane. I find it interesting that the US Constitution begins with the words "We, the people"--that's who we are, THE people and we will not be defeated. With that, the passengers on the plane all began to applaud, people had tears in their eyes, and we began the trip toward the runway. The flight attendant then began the safety speech. One of the things she said is that we are all so busy and live our lives at such a fast pace. She asked that everyone turn to their neighbors on either side and introduce themselves, tell each other something about your families and children, show pictures, whatever. She said "for today, we consider you family. We will treat you as such and ask that you do the same with us." Throughout the flight we learned that for the crew, this was their first flight since Tuesday's tragedies. It was a day that everyone leaned on each other and together everyone was stronger than any one person alone. It was quite an experience. You can imagine the feeling when that plane touched down at Dulles and we heard "welcome to Washington Dulles Airport, where the local time is 5:40". Again, the cabin was filled with applause. Last night I saw a program with college students where one of them said that at their campus there are no more hyphenated titles, i.e., African-American, etc., everyone is just an American. No one will ever be able to take that pride away from us.
15 posted on 09/29/2001 7:10:52 AM PDT by liberateUS (markejones@cs.com)
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To: Solitar
A HUGE FedEx employee bump!
16 posted on 09/29/2001 7:22:12 AM PDT by brewcrew
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To: Solitar
Command that all men come forward and fight the hijackers. You have many able-bodied men onboard. They are sitting in shock not knowing what to do. Command they come forward and help you kill your attackers. And, they will come.

Men in the back 4 or 5 rows cover the the others. Hijackers may have a sleeper or two waiting in the wings.

17 posted on 09/29/2001 7:33:14 AM PDT by RGSpincich
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To: Solitar
Very good, except for one of my peeves:

If you loose the battle...

One would think someone smart enough to fly an airplane and think up these responses to terrorists would at least know how to spell.

18 posted on 09/29/2001 7:36:32 AM PDT by real saxophonist
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To: real saxophonist
Very good, except for one of my peeves

One of mine as well, but I'll cut him some slack due to the fact that he's helping stoke the fire that's been lit inside all of us.

19 posted on 09/29/2001 7:41:32 AM PDT by brewcrew
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To: Solitar
Make it public. Tell the public they're welcome to bring their pocket knives onboard. Then everyone will bring them. When you make your intercom call for help, you'll have a dozen or more knife wielding helpers trying to make sure their new Gerber tastes fanatics blood. There are even a few of them who'd want to keep ears as souvenirs.

Am not so sure this is a good idea. Knives are hard to use (as weapons) if you don't know what you are doing. Having a planeload of knife-wielding innocents may not be a match for a few terrorists who understand slashing techniques. I prefer arming the pilots and having armed marshals aboard.

20 posted on 09/29/2001 7:52:09 AM PDT by Kate in Palo Alto
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